JeevesBond wrote: Actually

Abhishek Reddy — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:53:54 +0000

JeevesBond wrote: Actually I've stopped baiting you as I can just tell you fire up gvim when you think no-one else is looking.

Didn't the new maintainer say: 'Emacs should be more like Eclipse. "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" just doesn't cut it anymore, we need "Eight Terabytes And Constantly Swapping." With this in mind I'd like to announce the renaming of Emacs to "ETacs Vistaclipse Enterprise Edition."'

I'm not a fan of Eclipse, but I look forward to trying eclipse-mode when it's released. c.f. http://xkcd.com/378/

Drop in at cssc and add

JeevesBond — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:40:40 +0000

Drop in at cssc and add something to the chaos. I'm kk5st over there.

Nice, a sister site. It's a Drupal-based board.

Who could that be?

Actually I've stopped baiting you as I can just tell you fire up gvim when you think no-one else is looking. Anyway I haven't got anything to prove, Emacs soooo jumped the shark when Stallman stopped maintaining it.

Didn't the new maintainer say: 'Emacs should be more like Eclipse. "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" just doesn't cut it anymore, we need "Eight Terabytes And Constantly Swapping." With this in mind I'd like to announce the renaming of Emacs to "ETacs Vistaclipse Enterprise Edition."'

That's what I heard anyway.

Incidentally, I've solved

Abhishek Reddy — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:24:42 +0000

Incidentally, I've solved this problem for myself by writing markup like so:

(:ul
 (:li (:a :href "http://example.com"
          "Example")))

The closing token is a single character.

JeevesBond wrote: there's another guy around here who uses it, I try baiting him all the time too.

Who could that be?

JeevesBond wrote: Go easy

gary.turner — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:36:35 +0000

JeevesBond wrote:
Go easy on the poor chap: he's an Emacs user. He hasn't even realised that Vim is a far superior editor yet!

Muhahahaa, sorry, couldn't resist it. But seriously: welcome to the forums Gary, good to have you with us. Am only joking about Emacs, there's another guy around here who uses it, I try baiting him all the time too.

Those of us who use superior technologies are quite used to the snipings of the jealous, unwashed masses. I will stipulate that Vi(m) is a worthy runner-up to Emacs.

Thanks for the welcome. I was researching a question on CSSCreator forums when I ran into Complete Guide to Pre-installed Fonts by Megan. Great article; it's bookmarked as a basic reference. I figured I'd see what the forum looked like.

Drop in at cssc and add something to the chaos. I'm kk5st over there.

cheers,

gary

Megan wrote: I just don't

gary.turner — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:03:33 +0000

Megan wrote: I just don't like typing every character by hand, and never have. This used to be more of a problem with HTML, but as I mentioned above I write a lot more CSS than HTML these days. And it's not that I don't know what the properties are, it's just that I don't want to type them all out by hand. And for those properties with limited values auto-complete saves me from having to look up what the options are if I don't happen to know.

Ah, OK. I've always found that sort of 'help' to be contra-productive, and simply typing the property/value pairs to be faster than arrowing through a selection list to choose, or worse, taking my hand from the keyboard to operate a mouse. For simple completions, you still have to type enough to disambiguate the property. By the time you typed "margin-bottom-c" with a tab or alt-tab or two thrown in, you could have finished the "olor:".

Quote: And what do you mean by "There's not that many properties that are commonly used."??

There are only about 35 properties that we use with any regularity. The other 100 or so are redundant, special purpose (eg. aural) or IE doesn't support them.

Quote: Everyone has editing features they value more than others - no need to put down someone else's preferneces just because you don't agree.

There was no intent to put down anyone's preference, and if you felt I did, you made an incorrect inference.

cheers,

gary

Everyone has editing

JeevesBond — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:20:42 +0000

Everyone has editing features they value more than others - no need to put down someone else's preferneces just because you don't agree.

Go easy on the poor chap: he's an Emacs user. He hasn't even realised that Vim is a far superior editor yet!

Muhahahaa, sorry, couldn't resist it. But seriously: welcome to the forums Gary, good to have you with us. Am only joking about Emacs, there's another guy around here who uses it, I try baiting him all the time too.

gary.turner wrote: Maybe

Megan — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:50:35 +0000

gary.turner wrote: Maybe because I abandoned table layouts for css-p nearly five years ago, I just don't see this 'feature' as at all necessary. There's not that many properties that are commonly used. Bookmark the css and html specs at W3 for info on the others.

Um, I haven't written table layouts for about that long either. I just don't like typing every character by hand, and never have. This used to be more of a problem with HTML, but as I mentioned above I write a lot more CSS than HTML these days. And it's not that I don't know what the properties are, it's just that I don't want to type them all out by hand. And for those properties with limited values auto-complete saves me from having to look up what the options are if I don't happen to know.

And what do you mean by "There's not that many properties that are commonly used."??

Everyone has editing features they value more than others - no need to put down someone else's preferneces just because you don't agree.

I have finally found that Quanta Plus will actually do this, you just have to make sure the document is identified as CSS and press space Yay!

Megan wrote: Does anyone

gary.turner — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:22:31 +0000

Megan wrote: Does anyone know of a text/code editor for Linux that can do Dreamweaver style tag completion?

In 2001, I had to use DW. I found it slowed production terribly, and haven't touched it since. So, bear with me if I misunderstand your needs.

Quote: usually I have the content already in place and am just putting the mark-up around it. Immediate tag completion is just annoying.

Emacs in html helper mode will insert tags, and move the point (cursor) to between them, ready to type. If you are marking up existing content, simply select the region by either dragging the mouse, or mark one end and move the cursor to the other. Use ctl-u to tell Emacs you're marking the region, and insert the tag. Emacs will put opening and closing tags at the beginning and end of the region respectively.

Quote: This, combined with DW's CSS completion features is really preventing me from doing more work on Linux. Does anyone know of a Linux editor that can do that? It's not really a GUI-based CSS editor, just inline auto-completion and suggested values.

Maybe because I abandoned table layouts for css-p nearly five years ago, I just don't see this 'feature' as at all necessary. There's not that many properties that are commonly used. Bookmark the css and html specs at W3 for info on the others.

One more comment on Emacs: A lot of folks are intimidated by the power and versatility Emacs offers. The manual runs into the megaBytes. But, you only need to learn the stuff you use. When/if you need another functionality, then you can take the time to learn it.

cheers,

gary

Okay, I'll check out Zend

Megan — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:49:10 +0000

Okay, I'll check out Zend studio.

I'm working with Screem right now and it does do the HTML tag completion the way I'd like. It's a bit buggy though, although I've had problems with a lot of editors when working directly from a SSH connection.

I've also got jedit installed but am having problems getting the JRE installed so it will work. (might be some plugins for jedit that could work).

I should look at CSS editors too - I write a lot more CSS than HTML these days!

matt wrote: I think Zend

JeevesBond — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:33:44 +0000

matt wrote: I think Zend Studio does that kind of thing

Yeah, I was wondering whether Eclipse might do the job too, but Eclipse is such a pain in the arse to setup.

Zend studio would work on Ubuntu though, that would be a step in the right direction.