Reece S — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:53:43 +0000

webwiz;227475 wrote: I'll back you up here, Reece.

I am learning a CMS for my own use. If I had not spent a really long time hand coding HTML and CSS etc. I would not know how to begin to handle the templating system. It does take a lot of experience to get a feel for making valid, accessible, and resilient web pages. I think fancy tools just get in the way of that learning.

That said, the fancy tools can be very useful, once you know what you are doing.

Well Said
I enjoy manually working with my website, if you got another program to build it for you then what is the point of web-designers?
Thanks WebWiz.

webwiz — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:18:02 +0000

I'll back you up here, Reece.

I am learning a CMS for my own use. If I had not spent a really long time hand coding HTML and CSS etc. I would not know how to begin to handle the templating system. It does take a lot of experience to get a feel for making valid, accessible, and resilient web pages. I think fancy tools just get in the way of that learning.

That said, the fancy tools can be very useful, once you know what you are doing.

Reece S — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:06:34 +0000

very true, but I like it edditing individually, beside, my site aint massive, it only contains about a thousand pages or so, plus the additional 5000 duplicate media interfaces.
It probably would be easier, but untill i am competing with microsoft.com, i shall stick to a normal template management. the good old time consuming way:)
I appreciate what you are saying, and i do honestly agree, but i like the idea of being in total control of all my website, and edditing each bit manually. Instead of controlling a machine, be the machine.
Thanks:)

Michelle — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:25:55 +0000

If you have a large website, you really should look at using a CMS. I can't even imagine trying to build one from scratch anymore. That's like programming in assembler.

Michelle

Reece S — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:53:05 +0000

ahh, this is ace, i am still pretty new to Adobe DW CS3, and I have just found Find and Replace. this is an app i have been after for years, and it is right here, on a program i have been using for months.
Thanks to both of you for telling me the name, i thought i had herd it somewhere, but never knew what it did (pretty dumb, as the name is self explanitory)

Megan — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:25:39 +0000

Lots of editors can do mass search and replace, even in files that aren't open - that's the key, you want to be able to s/r in files without having to open all of them.

Reece S — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:13:53 +0000

no, i havent thought of that, i will look further into it, it would help with mass duplicates like game interfaces and such.
As for the CMS, i do have one for my shop, but i really dont want to use one for the website itself.
the shops are not yet online, still under construction. I am still trying to get my head round the editing of php tags. they appear as little yellow squares instead of templates.

Thanks for the update, i thought it was not possible, but i needed confirmation.

webwiz — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:46:13 +0000

Considering that CSS selectors specifically target elements in the web page, not parts of the browser like the status bar or address bar, I fell pretty confident replying "no".

I can see where you are coming from, though. Microsoft added all kinds of proprietary stuff to CSS that does things like change the color of the scroll bar. I do hope that other browser manufacturers don't go down this road. I find enough to wrestle with on the web page itself to want to deal with such frippery.

For your immediate problem, have you considered using a content management system? You would then only have a few templates to deal with. Another solution is an editor[1] that does bulk updates to a collection of files, rather than one at a time. I believe that Dreamweaver has that capability, even old versions.

[1] One such editor I know of is "WildEdit" from textpad.com