shobuz99 — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:37:01 +0000

FrankR,
It is a tremdous help! Thank you.
I don't think I would have figured that out on my own.
I haven't dealt with that before and didn't know.

I will forward the procedure on to the 'Mark Spadafore' person,
because he is whom I'm referring to as "Owner".
Would that be an acccurate claim?

Thanks again for your explanation.
Once this all gets done, I will post the results.
I figure if anyone else wants to know this; it should be useful.

Rick (shobuz99)

FrankR — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:11:52 +0000

The registrar for CNYLABOR.ORG is Dotster. You can find their web site at http://www.dotster.com. You will need to log in to the Dotster account that is responsible for the domain and update the listing.

I suspect that the Dotster account belongs to the administrative contact, Paul Albee. You will need to have the owner contact him and request that the record be updated to point to the new hosting provider's name servers.

The owner can administer his own record going forward. He can create a Dotster login and then ask Mr. Albee to transfer the domain, within the Dotster system, to the new account. That will allow you to manage the account going forward and assume the responsibility to directly pay the annual registration fee of $14.95.

I hope this helps.

Frank

shobuz99 — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:22:22 +0000

FrankR,
Thank you. I have in fact, looked up the domain on "http://whois.domaintools.com/" and did see the "Registrant" and
the "Admin" listing.

The domain owner is listed as the "Registrant". (I know his name)
The "Admin" is a name that doesn't appear to be connected with the host service; and is associated with a separate company.
Maybe it's host server affiliate???... I'm not sure.

The "Tech name" is the same name as the "Admin".

There is also a "Sponsoring Registrar" listed in the begining.
This is also NOT the same as the "Registrant" that is listed.

This is a bit confusing to me. If I sent you the link to the whois for this domain would you be able to tell me whether there would be any complications to getting this transfer done?

Here's the link: http://whois.domaintools.com/cnylabor.org

I appreciate your help... thank you.

Rick (Shobuz99)

FrankR — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:34 +0000

shobuz99;213835 wrote:
...Does anyone here have experience transfering a domain from host to host? I know there must be paperwork to fill out, sign and maybe pay a fee to complete the transaction; but I don't know the details...

Do I need to contact ICANN?

Generally, it is very easy as long as the real owner is the registrant and administrative contact for the domain. To move to a new host, the owner just has to update the domain's record with the registrar. You will provide the new set of name servers supplied by the new hosting provider.

You can find out which registrar maintains the record by doing a whois lookup at www.uwhois.com or using a program like Whois Web.

You would only need to work with ICANN if there is a dispute over the domain name. Updating a record is easy. It could be complicated if the hosting provider is listed as the owner. You need to pull the whois record to be sure.

Frank

shobuz99 — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:32:07 +0000

After struggling with the losers of the host windows server, I ended up
speaking with the domain onwers about finding a new host.
I found out that they are paying $20.00/month for this torture and very little support. The windows server people still can't get php working properly, because they have security issues with their mailsever.. I don't understand that, but that's what they seem to be struggling with.
In the mean time, I spoke with the domain owners, and they said they would decide what to do.

Well.. it's finally been decided by the domian owners to transfer to another host service. I want to help them make the move; but I don't know all the steps to get this done. I also don't know how long this should take, i.e. days, weeks, etc.

Does anyone here have experience transfering a domain from host to host? I know there must be paperwork to fill out, sign and maybe pay a fee to complete the transaction; but I don't know the details...

Do I need to contact ICANN?

I'd like to make this happen and get off that windows server asap.

Thanks for any help you may offer
Rick (Shobuz99)

andy206uk — Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:24:00 +0000

Good luck with it - like I said before if these guys had any common sense they would be able to use the internet to find the answer or at least find a forum where they could ask for help - they clearly don't have a clue.

Hell, I could probably work out how to resolve the issue and I'm not even a sysadmin!

If you plan to use PHP you would be much better off on a *nix server anyway - PHP was designed to work on *nix systems and has been bodged to run on windows, just like a lot of other open source stuff like MySQL.

shobuz99 — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:26:12 +0000

andy206uk,

There is nothing I'd rather do more than ditch these guys... problem is, I can't because I'm not the registered owner of the domain. I'm simply the hired webmaster. I work for a union and am also webmaster for that org as well. The AFL-CIO in my state has several labor councils. The web site that's the topic of this discussion belongs to the labor council's field rep. He has given me the authority to directly deal with these guys, because of my web maintenance experience wih my union's website.
The best thing I could do, I think, is recommend to the field rep that we lose these losers and hook up with a better host service. The union I belong to uses Westhost.com and I'm very happy with them so far. The guys I'm unhappy with; that are the focus of this problem, are some small rag-tag outfit in upstate NY.
I was hoping, I guess, that there was some way to avoid recommending a change of host service and resolve the problem... But after everyone's gracious and helpful direction here, I see that hope as lost. You guys are right. We need a new host service. I hate windows servers anyway..
Thank you all for your advice an council. It's pretty clear what I must do now.
Rick (shobuz99)

andy206uk — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:31:22 +0000

I work for a hosting company and our techs can do this kind of stuff without a second thought... If I were you I would ditch this bunch of clueless wannabe's double quick - if they can't even do this then could you imagine if you needed something really complicated doing?

JeevesBond — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:23:04 +0000

shobuz99 wrote: Can you tell that I hate windows servers?

You're not the only one: that's probably why most of the net runs on Linux.

Perhaps the best course would be to gently suggest they use Linux?

shobuz99 — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:19:25 +0000

jeeves,

Yes. i am trying to use the mail() function that is within the php program I'm referring to..
You are absolutely correct! They don't have a clue and may never get one.

Can you tell that I hate windows servers?

Thanks for your reply..

Rick (shobuz99)