Megan — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:25:21 +0000

Busy;211469 wrote: I've been hearing a lot of people don't like IE7 and are uninstalling it soon after download.
I keep putting off the download because of the size, only 14.8mb but on dialup thats massive.

And, as I mentioned in another thread, a lot of enterprise level online tools aren't ready for 7 so some companies are telling people not to upgrade until those are fixed (bastard non standards compliant crap!).

I'm glad to hear people aren't liking it - that was my predicion in the first place. What a great time to encourage people to try something else

Megan — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:18:02 +0000

IE 7 is way too far off right now to be dropping IE 6. HOwever, you can and should test PNG's for non-alpha transparency graphics. I find it works well for things that would be gif's but have graidents that make that format difficult to optimize for.

Liam has some javascript that allows for transparent pngs' to work in IE 6. If i remember I'll tell him to post it here, or you can take a look at This site. That white veritcal menu that goes over the flower is a transparent png.

Neutron2k — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:36:56 +0000

IE7 will not replace IE6 anytime soon. IE7 is XP only, and theres still a high percentage of Windows 98/ME owners out there. You should continue to support IE6 for an undetermined amount of time is my advice. I am still supporting it and will do for at least another year yet.

timjpriebe — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:00:07 +0000

With PNG, you can have partial transparency. One use would be less pixelation on the edge of images with a transparent background.

This page has a nice example of what I'm talking about:

http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/fireworks/8-bit-alpha/8-bit-alpha.html

Renegade — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:54:56 +0000

Two main points to use .png over .gif:

1, Better image quality
2, Better support for transparency

When done right, file sizes are smaller too. Those are just a few points off the top of my head but I'm sure there are a lot more than that

teammatt3 — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:22:15 +0000

Noob question here, but why would you want to use a PNG over a plain old GIF?

timjpriebe — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:54:05 +0000

Personally, on most sites I do, I'll probably wait until 7.0 accounts for 75% or so if the IE users out there. Just a rough estimate, and there may be exceptions (Firefox fan club or something like that), but for me, 75% tends to be the magic number on adoption of anything like that.

My personal recommendation is to never put "Best viewed with..." or "Using latest browser standards..." My opinion is that they're both just as bad. But I completely respect Busy's opinion. And disagree.

Busy — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:44:57 +0000

I've been hearing a lot of people don't like IE7 and are uninstalling it soon after download.
I keep putting off the download because of the size, only 14.8mb but on dialup thats massive.

IMO if you use the png transparency maybe add a note on the site stating your using the latest browser standards (not best viewed with), so as not to make you look bad in your design in older browsers.