css and table combo

sussexrob — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 10:06:24 +0000

Hi all

Well my posting certainly led to a few wound up people heh

I am just learning CSS, all looks good but i need whatever i click on in the nav menu to load in the middle but leave the menu and the 3rd column alone. Would i need a table in the end in the middle, or how else would i do it?

At the moment Im using a host which uses tags, so their tag would go in the html, but needs a container.

any ideas or guideance?

cheers guys and gals

Rob

waffles — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:11:24 +0000

My only big greif against tables is the fact that they wait until everything is loaded before they display. If you've got a small site it doesn't matter.

Megan — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:53:27 +0000

steve40 wrote: Who voted W3C in as any authority, I sure didn't (the same goes for Bill Gates when he said 650k would be enough for me, or anyone else).

We have to have an aurhority of some kind and that's the best we've got. If we had no standards it would be mass chaos (remember web design in 1997, anyone?). Someone has to create those standards and the W3C is the current recognized authority, like it or not. You can choose to go your own way if you want, I don't care.

I've heard some rumblings from some well known leaders in the field expresing frustration with the W3C lately. Mainly about being too swayed by big corporations and not regular people and not moving quickly enough with certain recommendations.

Ha, just looked up the history of the W3C to try to answer this question and found this on their timeline

W3C wrote:
December 1996
Separating content (I think they mean presentation here...) from structure, CSS Level 1 is published. Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a simple mechanism for adding style (e.g. fonts, colors, spacing) to Web documents. CSS Level 2 (1998) included further and more sophisticated features.

December 1996 and we're still arguing about it! That tells you something about the effectiveness of that organization! I don't think they're perfect, by any means, but theyr'e the best we've got right now.

steve40 — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:43:50 +0000

Yep!.

demonhale — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:43:53 +0000

Use what your comfortable with as I often say, and I choose to use whatever suits my needs on a certain day, be it css or tables. A combination works too... and table persons must admit they use css in conjunction with their tabled designs...

steve40 — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:10:28 +0000

Who voted W3C in as any authority, I sure didn't (the same goes for Bill Gates when he said 650k would be enough for me, or anyone else). Well that might be a little strong to say that some people don't know how to use tables, but there will sure be a good crop of newbies who wont. It might benefit them sometime to learn though.

"Quote" I am not your enemy just an adversary.

If you want to hear my real opinion the "internet is a bunch of crap". But you might not be able to handle that.

DaveyBoy — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:49:45 +0000

Yeah i'm not saying people don't know how to use them, I just wanna use em without getting grief

I like going against authority, it didn't work in school but it seems to now lol

Megan — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:41:07 +0000

steve40 wrote: I second that opinion, I think those who don't use tables just don't know how. Besides its just like a lot of other stuff, rules made up by someone who just wants everything their way. Who is in the position to tell someone what is right, or wrong. (GOD). I don't think any of us qualify's for that position.

Guys, please stop saying stuff like this. It's just going to force someone to respond and start an argument.

People who use CSS did use tables at one point but converted to CSS more recently. We did know how to do it once, we're not dumb. It also is the recommended method by pretty much any authority in the field, no question. It's not really a rule, but more of a guideline, made by the only recognized authorities (the w3c). They are the only aurhorities we have in this business so yes, they are in a position to make recommendations. They're not forcing anyone to do anything.

Busy — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:08:46 +0000

http://www.ezhtml.net/eztables2.html shows how to do several tabled layouts

steve40 — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:40:12 +0000

Daveyboy.

I second that opinion, I think those who don't use tables just don't know how. Besides its just like a lot of other stuff, rules made up by someone who just wants everything their way. Who is in the position to tell someone what is right, or wrong. (GOD). I don't think any of us qualify's for that position.