DaveyBoy — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:35:16 +0000

Have emailled you mate

DSSR — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:46:48 +0000

Busy. I have 16 tables. Do all 16 have to have their own CSS scripts at the top in the header? It seems I have to do twice as much work on this site compared to my older one, and I just learnt how to do html this week , can I pay soemone to do my site for me?

DSSR — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:41:32 +0000

Ahh, thanks heaps, now I know whats going on (closer to understadning CSS), now all I need to learn is how CSS works, and what codes to use. ... Lucky I dont have any br or h tags : ).. So all my other codes like

and so forth, are all closed normally? the only change is

?
Thanks heaps dude.

PS: Its so funny, I just went to validate my old site, and it had 188 errors, basically every bloody line was errornous. HAHAHA. I hope my new one does better.
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Mistress, I (he) didn't say it doesn't crawl it, he simply says it doesn't do it properly. Hes saying it's faster to get indexed without data being in a table. Googlebot as he called it is new and upgraded to keep cheaters out or something.

Busy — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:27:09 +0000

Glad you liked my site, sadly I haven't updated for a while (years)

CSS can be put in 3 ways, in the head section css stuff or in a seperate file with a link in the head section or thirdy in the tag itself text

The single tags, like must be closed in XHTML, my site shows the tags how they should be done, , , etc
There is no XHTML tags as such (unless you get into XML), the for example has always had a closing tag from the HTML days, and are about the only changed tags (also meta and input), as they are single tags they just need a slash, becomes and becomes .
Is important to leave that space, I have seen some people doing this (no gap) and some browser don't read the tag. you need the space for older browsers.

XHTML isn't the NEW standard, has been around for 6 years, people are just now finally seeing how easy and effective it is. Good on you for going for standards.

The DOC tag tells the browser how to display your page, it tells it your using XHTML Transitional, that you the man and to treat your code good

Ideally you shouldn't use frontpage, frontpage adds a heap of bad code and wasted code in your page. If you don't want to hand code (in text editor) use an html editor like dreamweaver or nearly any other free WYSIWYG editor (word, wordpad, publisher, excell etc are NOT html editors). There are threads around here about what types of style people code pages, some use dreamweaver, others like myself use a text editor, the one i use is editpad pro (pro is paid, light is free)

Once you got your code down, go to http://validator.w3.org/ and run your site/page through the validator. Don't worry if you get a heap of errors, we all do. If you do get a heap of errors only fix the first two (2) then save/upload and check again. What happens is the validator can get tripped up on one error and that error travels down the page, say you missed a quote, it can look at the next quote as the end one causing the next part to become an error when it isn't.
If you get stuck we are here for you, but try work out the errors first. Is also a good insight into (X)HTML.

The Webmistress — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:50:39 +0000

I'm with Busy on this one, that's a load of old **** goodgle will read and crawl your html whether it's tables based or not.

DSSR — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:22:39 +0000

Ahh, thank's, I got it to work last night, about 10 hours ago, I actually got it first go, just looked at the page and thought, well, this thing is going at the top, I'll put the code at the top, sure enough, I had to change the thing like add the margin and that back in, but it works cool now.

Sorry, I mean, it won't crawl it as efficient to get it indexed or something. If you want to get in google fast, he said dont put your data in a table? I dont know, Im just a reader . Once it's been crawled, you can do what you want. Just make sure you have good keyword relevancy. And another tip he said was, the new bot looks at the importance of the links pointing to you. If you get a link on say MSN, then you will automatically be indexed when google bot crawls MSN. Instead of waiting weeks to get in google or using the directory, you could get in straight away. Well, that's the theory.

Anyways, thanks heaps for your help, much appreciated mate. Ill give you a look at it when its done. Maybe you could give me some coding tips on it, or design tips.

And your site rox , good nice clean site, with lots of good information I will be using a lot. There is one thing I still dont get yet. How or where do I actually put the CSS stuff? How do I go about using them? I tried to find it on your site, but it doesnt give me any info or I missed it due to too much O.P rum .

I'm starting to get this XHTML now, I think I have to go over my site again and re-do all my tags? does it matter if I have normal closing tags and XHTML tags in the same website?

because when I finished my hedaer banner or buttons in adobe image ready, it also had an option to save it as XHTML, so looking at all this XHTML at tehi siite and people saying its the new standard, I went ahead and saved it as that. So the main index.html I am working with now has a heading or

Busy — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:44:29 +0000

open the html file it created in a text editor, like notepad. copy the table section it created and paste that into your main page where you want it.

the created code may look like this

some gobbly goook

this is the table that holds your buttons

you only want the table bit

Still think your guru is full of it though, google doesn't follow validation guidelines or accessibility so why they would create a spider that isn't backwards compatible is a bit crazy if you ask me. I can create a website and be listed with a keyword listed in many nested tables. It's all in the keyword but not how you would find it but how other people would find it and if they would use that keyword/s

DSSR — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:04:14 +0000

hahahaha, thanks mate. Yeah, he definately knows what hes talking about. he didnt say it wouldnt crawl it, he said their new spider, googles only doesnt crawl sites with html protection, and doesnt crawl text in tables properly. I actually didnt put my text in a table and viola, it was number one out of a couple hundred. So I guess I believe him. Not only that, he says a lot of stuff.

About the code, thanks.

There are 8 bits (buttons). And it has its own code. I have redone it now, so I could get my header as a graphic, so I could do what I orginally wanted in teh beginning about it expanding when someone has a different resolution, or changes it.

Now I have a graphic, that has my buttons in it, and its got its own slices (7 Buttons).

Its created its own html file and images folder. It wont let me save as a gif , but, what I cant figure out is, where to put the code, because its created a html file as if I want to start a new html file, but I dont, I want to add these buttons to my existying one. Image Ready, Im trying to figure out where to cut and paste code from the buttons code into my index to go under my header. Want to have a look at it for me?

Thanks a lot

Busy — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:56:00 +0000

suppose I'd better give you some code, 2 ways tables or css, if you have sliced the image (you didnt say how many bits) a table may be better.

this is the part where it's up to you because I have no idea how many bits or what size they are

content ....

OR with your existing code put

before your text and

after it (have a feeling your using one table).

If you can give us a link would help a lot.

Oh and if your guru is right then google wont be crawled, msn, yahoo, bbc, ebay, 90% of forums .... wont be crawled

Busy — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:50:59 +0000

DSSR wrote: The rules of the google guru says using tables won't get your website crawled properly? Is there a way a round it?

Now I have heard it all, what a load of who har. I'll skip the tables debate and just go with 'Tables are for tabular data only', tabular data is probably more content than the rest of the page, it could hold the meaning of life, how to defuse a bomb or even how to save someones life (in binay of course haha) so who ever this guru is I seriously think you need to keep better company and avoid these types of people. guru indeed pffft