Busy — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:16:56 +0000

It's not just you, a lot of the 'experts' sites look like they were done by kids at day care.

Crazyfist — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:41:56 +0000

is it just me, or are most supposed "experts" own web sites, horrible?

JeevesBond — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:25:21 +0000

You need to remove
float:left;' from #news'

So:

#news							{background-color:#000000;
								float:left;
								margin:0px;
								width:287px;
								border:dashed 1px #333333;
								padding:10px;
								padding-top:3px;
								font-size:10px;
								font-weight:normal;
								text-align:justify;}

'
... becomes:

#news {
	margin:0px;
	width:287px;
	border:dashed 1px #333333;
	padding:10px;
	padding-top:3px;
	font-size:10px;
	font-weight:normal;
	text-align:justify;
}

The problem wasn't with FF, it was with the float, Opera surmised the same and if O says something it must be true.

Less tab action is optional, but recommended. I had problems reading that code too. Am hoping it wasn't Molly (the Holzschlag part of that book) who told you to do all that tabbing, don't listen, she's really rather pretentious.

Crazyfist — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:33:25 +0000

Thanks for the comments matey

just to let you know the books i read were:

JavaScript (in easy steps) by: Mike McGrath (published 2003)
The Zen of CSS Design by Shea & Holzschlag (published 2005)

Not very old books.

Busy — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:26:20 +0000

Books and Uni are like learning from a Frontpage tutorial, both usually very outdated with lots of mistakes.
Number one for XHTML, all tags and attributes MUST be in lowercase
Making mistakes is the best way to learn, as you do learn, you also learn (most of the time) why it happened. Is good to know what,where,why and how. But Strict does have very tight limits, not true limits as strict, trans and frameset require different techniques - not all suitable for everything, transitional give syou a greater learning curve as you can experiment a lot more instead of being stuck behind very strict rules. (no pun)

Tabbing is not always good, especially if you transfer to programming as tabs will get you in trouble - your choice thou.

w3c.org is where to want to go for reference.

No need for the thanks, it's good to see you wanting to learn the proper way straight off - you'll go far

Crazyfist — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:35:30 +0000

ok, thanks for your help.

1. i would rather just keep using strict as i will never learn unless i make mistakes

2. Mistakes in the tags are my bad, just not double checking them properly lol

3. wide screen? i have a 17" monitor on 1024x768, i tab in 4 times for CSS maybe 5 if my classes get too long.

4. onMouseOver and onClick is the way i used out of a book, its also they way we were tought in Uni, maybe that is an old standard or something, the command still works so its not a problem. Also with @import we are told this is the preferred way to link stylesheets at Uni. Maybe standards are changing

5. Empty span WAS for a text/replace image but then had to remove, forgot to remove the span i only started making the site yesterday evening and it isnt finished, i was only looking for an answer to the problem.

Thanks for pointing out the errors though mate, and thanks for all the other info.

Busy — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:22:52 +0000

The gap before the ending slash does make a difference, and are different, older browsers will ignore the slash if there is a space, will guess it without.
As you are using XHTML Strict you must be spot on, I'd suggest you use transitional until you fimilarise yourself a bit more, doc tag is:

Looking at your code, it wouldn't validate anyway, working from the bottom you've missed the slashes in the image tags (shoule be )
you have an empty span tag between a heading tag ..) ok you have a few of those h2 and h3.
your javascript needs to be lower case, things like onMouseOver needs to be onmouseover
you're using 'import' which will only work on newer browser, so older browser will get the defaults of everything, ideally you need another stylesheet or just make one standard one for all browsers.

you must have a really big screen cause Your tabs are half way across the page at 800x600 and is a mission trying to work out your code.

Your spacing problem has to do with your CSS, with you using a wide screen it would take me forever to work out your classes and placing and nesting of things, sorry I don't have that much time to spare at the moment. Hopefully someone else can help, otherwise I'll take another look when I can.

Crazyfist — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:49:58 +0000

ok thanks for the heads up on the title tag (doh)

the doesnt make any diff with the space, i tried that already. and there is a diff in FF u just havent noticed it thyere is spacing between the two news items (welcome and update) but its only a few fixels, if you look on IE there is a larger gap between the two, thats how i WANT it to look on FF.

Btw what should i use instead of ??? i only just started learning xhtml so im still quite new to the differences.

Busy — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:25:09 +0000

is actually (has a space)

It appears to be working ok in firefox, can't see a display problem as such, the css is doing what you've told it to

In your code you also have the title tags outside of the head tags and you have list, which isnt a (x)html tag