demonhale — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:23:03 +0000

a hack mode... waaay out of point...

Rincewind — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:17:23 +0000

I actually saw someone on another forum suggest that a person should put his invalid code inside javascript in a .js file and use docment.write to add it into the html. That way the page could validate without having to replace the invalid elements. Kinda missing the point.

JeevesBond — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:49:00 +0000

I absolutely agree, and have in fact ranted about this in the past (I'm always right and have always done everything good first ).

What that's touching on is the fact that not many people actually understand semantic web (class="redleftbox" being a typical example - as said: non-semantic selectors, my pet hate!), the different styles of XHTML (I can remember this thread) where great the guy had code that validates but he'd completely missed the conceptual differences between the different versions.

Next is things like 508 and WCAG. How can an automated validator tell whether you've included a "skip navigation" link, effectively see a server-side image map, find whether your page is qualitatively "accessible enough" to not need a text-only version, detect if you have any animated gifs/Flash that flicker/flash/refresh at that magic frequency that can trigger an epileptic fit, automatically know if you're not using css to control layout?

They can't! The checkpoints actually need to be read and understood, validation is just adjunct to the process; a support, not the be-all and end-all.

So yes I agree with that article, but wanted to rant about it a little because it's a subject close to my heart!

demonhale — Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:43:47 +0000

at least validating is a start... having the methods correct would come naturally...
Im still taking a really long time validating xhtml pages...

mscreashuns — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:26:48 +0000

Megan wrote: It's about a broder methodology of proper website development. (I would add non-semantic CSS selectors to that list as well.)

I agree. That's why I hardly ever even take the time to validate my files.

bja888 — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:43:54 +0000

Its ok! I'm still thinking about wsl if only I can get the time to start working on a syntax and broswer. If the pre-beta versions turn out to be as usefull as I think it will be then I will try to recrute some people to get it done faster. (wsl isn't the final name, its still up for modification).