Greg K — Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:29:54 +0000

Well, when you feel you have the majority market share (M$), you think you can just change the rules and everyone will follow suite and obey your whim. And when you get non-pros who are self taught in the only browser they have ever seen (IE), they start doing all the things that work for that browser, even though they are not up to standard.

It is the way of the web. Unless you are sure all of your users will be using IE, or you don't care about the ones who don't, you as a webmaster have to deal with handling it. That is one past of being able to call yourself a webmaster.

-Greg

CaptainMorgan — Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:55:15 +0000

Megan wrote: ...so if you really want to do this you'll have to put up with some browser inconsistency.

Ugh..
I found one script that is a real beaut. Stays in the same place on every page perfectly in IE...but in FF - yea right. I guess with scripts like this validation is non-existent. Ill find one eventually I think. I tried making one myself but it never came out right.. and I don't have PHP down yet.

Which leads me to my next question that Ill put here. If some things work in one browser but not in another, then what is the point of validation? I know it's to set an even playing field for standards.. but like what happened above - FF wouldn't show it, and Im sure as a result W3C doesn't like it either. I get the concept of validation, but in practice Ive yet to have a page that validated 100%. Ugh.. frustration setting in.. time to step away.

Renegade — Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:50:53 +0000

Look under menus, since that's what you want

Megan — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:23:06 +0000

Are you trying to fix the navigation like a frame would while the rest of the pages scorll? Or are you just wanting to do something where you would be able to keep the code for the template in a separate file?

Like Renegade said, the only way to fix it on the side like a frame would is by CSS so if you really want to do this you'll have to put up with some browser inconsistency.

For keeping things in a separate file, includes by PHP or Server Side Includes are very easy to implement.

CaptainMorgan — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:40:06 +0000

Renegade wrote: But, the problem is that it doesn't show up properly in IE so, you'll have to use Javascript with it as well...

Try looking at dynamicdrive.com or javascriptkit.com

I wish to make it easy for most browsers, so maybe CSS is not a good idea then.

Ive checked out those sites. Where do I begin? Maybe you missed when I asked for clear-cut.

Thanks for the help.

EDIT: I had a JS menu navigation setup, but it simply took too long to load.. as is the case Ive found for most JS's.. am I doing something wrong?

Renegade — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:31:15 +0000

You can do it very simply with CSS:

#navigation {
position:fixed;
top:10px;
left:10px;

But, the problem is that it doesn't show up properly in IE so, you'll have to use Javascript with it as well...

Try looking at dynamicdrive.com or javascriptkit.com