JeevesBond — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:48:22 +0000

Of course I love it, it's Opera!

I get the impression that Opera has less of a user base than most other browsers, but the users it has got make up for it by being ten times more enthusiastic about their beloved browser. But then what better can you get for a 4 meg download?

... No that was a rhetorical question

As for the e-mail I loved it apart from one critical thing: There's no facility to create an HTML signature, so had to switch to Thunderbird.

Megan — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:59:56 +0000

Oh, yeah, Opera has RSS Don't you just love it??? LOL. Check out the email tools when you get a chance. Like gmail only better.

JeevesBond — Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:27:51 +0000

On a slightly different aspect of Opera, I just found the built-in RSS reader... Ooooh *drool*

demonhale — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:58:26 +0000

As for acting out OCD on sucha cause, I always have with me installers of both mozilla and opera, albeit in a much earlier version (I'll get a new one soon)... I'm fighting the cause against IE too... Maybe I'll attempt for a world record here... as the way to the future we could do with CSS, and on SVG... whatever the issues.. we must learn something that is new... As far as im concerned... all businesses/establishments with which I have been in contact with, has now either opera or mozilla running... I would be glad if they purchased it too...

JeevesBond — Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:24:52 +0000

Ah, I see SirCoistrel... On a side not, I found an svg animation on my phone the other day (Sony Ericsson K700i - for the geeks) completely by accident, I bluetoothed it to my pc and it opened in Opera and played fine, very exciting!

Particularly like the idea of using a single DOM for everything... Can really see where the w3c are heading and it's a good place. Hopefully Microsoft wont break anything along the way!

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You're quite right Megan, Opera is a wonderful thing!
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karriston — Fri, 27 May 2005 19:20:31 +0000

Uh huh *nods politely and backs away slowly but akwardly*

Megan — Fri, 27 May 2005 19:04:02 +0000

Oh, I am! I haven't even mentioned the mail client in here (very much like gmail)

The other day I encountered the new cookie management sytem which gives you full control over what cookies are installed and how. This was a particular shortcoming in previous versions so I'm glad its been improved.

karriston — Fri, 27 May 2005 17:56:33 +0000

You seem addicted to OPERA Megan

SirCoistrel — Tue, 24 May 2005 19:26:34 +0000

Greetings Again JeevesBond: Here is the defintinitve answer:

"SVG drawings can be interactive and dynamic. Animations can be defined and triggered either declaratively (i.e., by embedding SVG animation elements in SVG content) or via scripting.

Sophisticated applications of SVG are possible by use of a supplemental scripting language which accesses SVG Document Object Model (DOM), which provides complete access to all elements, attributes and properties. A rich set of event handlers such as onmouseover and onclick can be assigned to any SVG graphical object. Because of its compatibility and leveraging of other Web standards, features like scripting can be done on XHTML and SVG elements simultaneously within the same Web page."

from the official documentation: Cheers, SirCoistre

SirCoistrel — Tue, 24 May 2005 18:15:37 +0000

Good Morning,...The real importance of SVG lies in the non-proprietary, standard compliant alternative that it presents, an alternative that public debate suggests is at worst a match for Flash. Flash in fact has just adopted some SVG features.

Yes, it most definitely can be animated but that is a complex story. I have a site which utilizes SVG animation (and sound) but at present I only know of one program advanced enough to do it. I will have to check on the DOM issue but my present understanding is that the answer is "yes."

The implementation of SVG has been very uneven because of the browser situation. IE, to be positive for a change, though utilizing the Adobe plugin, is at present the only browser supporting animation and the full suite of SVG capabilities. The animation I use utilizes Java script which Opera are hostile towards for some reason. Opera will not animate under Adobe; whether version 8 will is an open question because of the generally incomplete implementation of Native SVG.

Including Amaya, all the browsers including Netscape support SVG in some form. But the positions recently adopted by Mozilla and Opera give promise to the field now being developed more quickly and in a more orderly fashion. The W3C are currently developing version 1.2. The "tiny" field, the mobile devices, is one area where SVG has definitely won full-scale acceptance and major utilization.

Adobe apparently have plans for utilizing SVG in Acrobat Reader. Where Flash will go is an interesting question now that Adobe have taken over Macromedia.

Frankly the Adobe and Corel plugins versus Native SVG is not a major issue with me. It is a one time download requiring the inspiration of viewers of your site to do the same --- and that is no different from downloading the Acrobat PDF reader.

Cartographers were the first to fully embrace SVG and there is now major movement in the CAD field to offer SVG as an output option --- in fact it is now a reality. It is the blooming browsers that have presented the only obstacle to allowing the market to form an unbiased judgement of thumbs up or down on SVG.

Hope that helps, and may things be much clearer six months from today. Cheers, Sir Coistrel