m3rajk — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:08:39 +0000

thanx suzanne.
heh. i kinda need some scripting to make a forums that allows me to set hidden variables, or i'd need to have the a large number of forms that have the same named ids.....
i make no qualms about the need for javascript by stating that it's needed in the sign up, login, and index. so i'm not going to worry about my lack of complying to the "make sure you dont need scripting", but i like that site.. rather useful and enlightening...

gohan: i've had issues with it since version 4 when i found a problem with it's rendering on a site i was working on. it was a personal site but when i explored the problem, i found out that microsoft completely disregaurded all standards.

if i were you i wouldnt wait, i'd upgrade now. and use mozilla 1.7 instead of firefox. that way you dont need outlook, the only program i've seen be more harmful than internet explorer. why i am used to calling it internet evil (same letters.... IE...) recently i've been interchanging that with internet error

gohankid77 — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:32:10 +0000

I'm going to upgrade to Mozilla 1.7 in a few days (yay!) But I'm still, unfortunately, using IE6. I recently found out just how much people hated it. WOW! :eek: It's nutz!

:flame:IE6

Suzanne — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:16:15 +0000

webstandards.org -- check their resources section
WebMonkey is fine, only they have gone out of business, so you're not getting up to date information
alistapart.com -- just go reading

"stealing" source is good for learning, but don't use it for production (live) sites.

No, you didn't have table cells that were actually different sizes in different rows unless they weren't in the same column. Turn your borders on if you want to test this.

Specifically, there is no reason why the design as you have it has to be in tables. You could use divs just as easily.

brady.k — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 04:33:04 +0000

Find a site you like, steal the source code.

Figure out why it works, and how. Thats the best way, teach yourself. Get your own ideas and see how things work, not just "cause they do"

Dragon of Ice — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 03:23:06 +0000

Suzanne:

I'm going to use tables for a quick fix, but could you direct me to a good CSS tutorial. I've been learning most of my stuff from Webmonkey, but I've been told that it's not very good tutorials.

m3rajk — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 03:07:36 +0000

gohan: well then, i dont use internet errors unless testing for compatibility AFTER i get things working.i like to know my code is NOT browser specific before i tinker for a specific browser.

so i use mozilla while building, and mozilla for most everything but M$IE testing.

Dragon: tables cells can NEVER be different sizes in the same column.
the way to get around that is to add cells and then use cellspan, or to use nested tables, but you can only have one table in a table... w3c standards.

Dragon of Ice — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:53:32 +0000

I've made the cell sizes different in the past, and never had this problem. I know some CSS. What were you thinking of specifically?

Suzanne — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:06:25 +0000

Use two tables.

A table has some "laws", one of which is you can't just willy nilly make different cell sizes.

However, since you're so new to this, why not learn CSS? It would be just as hard and better for you.

Logo Width Effects td

Dragon of Ice — Mon, 05 Jul 2004 01:49:03 +0000

It seems that however wide the logo image is, that's how wide the td is below it. Anyone know how to fix that?

Dragon of Ice — Sun, 04 Jul 2004 23:25:53 +0000

I'll try adding the content, but that's exactly how I implemented the style code, and it did nothing.