red_headed — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:36:59 +0000

Thanks Suzanne for the links... I believe they officalize what I thought to begin with -- that he didn't get a virus from my page. Again, thank you very much for your input on this.

LOL... good point druagord, lol... very good point. This person did tell my friend that he had made his own anti-virus program, so maybe he left out some virus definitions or something.

I really hate being like this (seeking so strongly to disprove this person) because I'm normally very easy going and I don't get myself into this sort of thing. BUT this person just keeps going on and on and on about how he knows EVERYTHING, then continued to further irritate me by resorting to very offensive comments whenever I questioned his knowledge. I guess I'm just going to let this be the last note, be the bigger person and end the bickering. It is very childish, but sometimes, one of 'em will just get to ya. Thanks to everyone for your knowledge and support. BTW -- great forum, wonderful people.

druagord — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:55:36 +0000

By the way People "who know everything" have a software that assure them that their computer doesn't get infected by virus

Suzanne — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:49:48 +0000

http://www.yale.edu/pclt/COMM/TCPIP.HTM this may help dispel any myths...

Also, this: http://www3.mwc.edu/~jhaynes/tcpip.htm

TCP/IP isn't a virus method itself, anymore than the twit racing down the highway is the fault of the highway itself. It's just the conduit, the carrier.

This may be of interest: http://www.virusbtn.com/resources/viruses/indepth/sma.xml

The fact is that something that would require vigorous removal doesn't come from HTML. It's not possible. Nor from JavaScript (which is client-side and doesn't affect the operating system), nor from CSS.

red_headed — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:23:37 +0000

Busy do you have any idea what he might have been talking about when he said using tcp/ip and convert or does this sound like something that was just made up? I'm not interested in the details of how to do... just curious if it's fictious

Busy — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:33:24 +0000

doesn't have to be .exe but has to be excuted, example say someone made virus.jpg.bad the person would have to excute (open/run) the .bad file for it to take effect. it gets techo but there are a lot of automated tools to open these, ie your email client will automaticaly try open it (if allowed)
a lot of people have 'hide file types' option set so wouldn't see most renamed things, and if they saw virus.jpg (really virus.jpg.bad) would think its an image.

.bad isn't a file type btw, just used it as example

if you want more info on virus etc take a look around the antivirus sites

Renegade — Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:47:00 +0000

What I know of Viruses maybe entirely off the mark but don't they have to be in .exe and has to be excuted?

red_headed — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:02:29 +0000

LOL. Thanks busy for the reply. And no, I would definitely not classify this guy as a "helper/advisor/mentor", lol. Just someone who hasn't hit reality yet and realize the fact that you can't know everything about everything IT... it's way too multi-fauceted and by time you really get something down, it changes, lol. I know there was no virus on my server and I DEFINITELY know if he got a virus from somewhere, it wasn't my page. It is however highly likely he got one from one of the NUMEROUS "hacker" sites he visits or one of their "free downloads".

ANYWAY.. wow, nice steam blow-off, lol. Thanks busy for clearing that up. I'm going to send him this link to this thread, but I'm sure he's going to either say that the 2 of you don't know what you're talking about OR he got a virus from this site too, lol. Cheers.

Busy — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:46:56 +0000

HTML isn't a programming language, it's a display language, all it can do is display stuff (bad example this is red). The worst a HTML file can do is not display or display things totally different to how you want them - bad coding (missing tags, badly nested tags ...)

As mentioned image files can be 'interfered with' but that isn't HTML either, as the HTML only displays what image to display, from where, how high, wide ...

Sounds like you need to find another helper/mentor/advisor

red_headed — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:38:47 +0000

Thank you so much Suzanne. You just made me feel a lot better. For some reason this guy has gotten under my skin. It's possibly because he keeps claiming to know everything you could possibly know in the IT field, yet when you ask him a simple question he resorts to hostility or some other absurd claim like "I gave him a virus". As for the page, that was the very first time I had ever uploaded it and the link I sent him was the direct link to the html file on my server... no hidden links or redirects and no one else knew of the file.

Anyway, yes, you're right. There are always trolls out there

Thanks again.

Suzanne — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:10:07 +0000

No.

You can conceivably transmit viruses by using HTML to trigger holes in IE that lead to other sites that contain viruses, though, and people can do the same using your page as the "visible" address while their nasty work is hidden, but since you sent him the link, one would assume that no one hijacked that link.

You can conceivably transmit viruses through image files, embedded in the image files, however they have to be interpreted, I believe, on the other end. Some viruses have been sent through special .jpg files but they have a different extension.

If you didn't put it there, and you know everything that was linked, then it wasn't you.

Also, well, trolls are everywhere in various guises. Don't let them get you down.