JeevesBond — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:29:23 +0000

Yeah, the person who does payroll at my day-job uses it...Sigh: "Your payslips are now ready for collection" looks so stupid with a purple background and waves going down the side, grrrr.

lol, sounds like you spam catcher knows what it's doing Suzanne

Suzanne — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:54:12 +0000

Incredimail drives me bonkers. Some relations of mine use it and my spam catcher nailed them all the time until I put them on my whitelist. Reluctantly...

The Webmistress — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:16:48 +0000

I know what you mean, a lot of my clients, who are business owners, use it and it is soooo unprofessional IMO

andy206uk — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:21:36 +0000

I feel exactly the same. I prefer to educate my clients about browsers and compatability issues rather than just making sure it works only in their browser.

You know what I REALLY hate? Incredimail! its this stupid plugin thingy for outlook that lets you send html emails with stupid themes. I have a customer that supposedly runs a serious business always emails me stuff with a limegreen background and a picture of a smiley face smack in the middle. Its about as professional as turning up to a meeting with all your clothes on inside out. grrrr

The Webmistress — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:24:28 +0000

Just thought I'd add that I hate AOL and I refuse to help clients with PC/email issues if they have AOL and they refuse to change!

Suzanne — Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:01:50 +0000

Whoo! Good practice wins again! Whoo!

taff — Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:38:42 +0000

Andy: Yeah, I've run into similar situations in the past also. I've done an entire site in CSS only to discover that the client was running Netscape3 on a Mac laptop with no room to upgrade.

Quote: I've found the best way to convince them is to go to their premises with a CD with the latest version of IE, netscape, mozilla and opera install all 4 and let them see for themselves that it really works in proper browsers and its just aol being w*nky. Normally after seeing that they ditch ao-hell in a second.

I don't think her fees would cover the 5000 mile round trip

taff — Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:16:12 +0000

Well Suzanne - bingo! Case was the issue - go figure. I converted everyhting to lowercase and now it is rendering properly for her.

That's what I get fer bein' sloppy!

andy206uk — Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:31:55 +0000

How about you reccomend to her that she *doesnt* use aol

This situations are difficult. I've had clients like this in the past, what I normally do is explain that the site is designed for the majority of browsers, however the one that the client is using doesnt comply to standards and as such may not give predictable results.

Use a strange metephor like she's using the equivalent of having an outboard motor in a car or something. Most of my clients after a bit of coaxing get it and ditch the crap that their currently using.

I've found the best way to convince them is to go to their premises with a CD with the latest version of IE, netscape, mozilla and opera install all 4 and let them see for themselves that it really works in proper browsers and its just aol being w*nky. Normally after seeing that they ditch ao-hell in a second.

Failing that, your gonna have to loose the styles and use html attributes (eugh!)

taff — Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:19:56 +0000

hmm - I have no idea what that error means. My main stylesheet gets it as well.

You are absolutely right on the case - I've just fixed that and we'll see if it has any bearing although I somehow doubt it.

Quote: I would recommend you install AOL and give it a go.

Oh I sooo do not want to have to do that if I can avoid it

Quote: She may have CSS disabled

Nope - some style elements *are* being picked up