taff — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:50:49 +0000

Quote: Originally posted by disaster-master
She can hear the large bold font.

Especially in sans serif

disaster-master — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:00:13 +0000

Quote: Where is Suzanne when we need her, eh?

Oh, you can bet she is lurking and laughing her behind off at us trying to figure out something that is probably so simple.

This is how you get Suzanne.

Hey Suzanne! Where are you!!
She can hear the large bold font.

Megan — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:44:37 +0000

No, you just have to find a different way of positioning them. Where is Suzanne when we need her, eh?

taff — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:56:21 +0000

Quote: Originally posted by Megan
Sorry. I didn't mean to insinuate that you should start from scratch. I just meant for next time you'll know....

heh - no problem. I realize that these things are best tackled from scratch but I had some down time and this project was pretty simple so I decided to give it a go.

I also converted my own site (not uploaded atm) but ran into the same headache of page centering the splash page. Ah! This is all a conspiracy to get me to stop using splash pages, ain't it!

I took a look at the links d-m posted on vertical centering with css but have yet to get my brain around it.

Megan — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:50:53 +0000

Sorry. I didn't mean to insinuate that you should start from scratch. I just meant for next time you'll know....

taff — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:37:27 +0000

This was more of an idle conversion attempt rather than xhtml from scratch. The domain is active for me now so you may or may not see it yet. The two noncompliant issues are the splash page (full-width, full height table) and the nav sidebar on the sub pages.

The current doctype is html4.01 transitional which returns dozens of errors on validation but everything appears to render fine whereas with the xhtml doctype, I get one error but it's a doozy - layout falls apart.

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Megan — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:58:18 +0000

Oh, but such an outdated, cheap solution. Not a good way to go, IMO. Did you dry the div's with margins? Or give us a URL and we'll figure something out. Once you learn more about xhtml you'll know how to design layouts that work from the start

ShaneS — Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:49:03 +0000

If all else fails...CHEAT.

Often you can cheat sizing with a 1x1 transparent gif (commonly used by Adobe's ImageReady called spacer.gif)

By setting this images height and width the table MUST size to the image. You can use % on images so that might let you cheat your way to a solution when you need one in a jam.

disaster-master — Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:38:39 +0000

Quote: Is it wise to even use a doctype if I can't get it fully compliant one way or the other?

I am sure you have already seen this but it says "Using an incomplete or outdated DOCTYPE—or no DOCTYPE at all—throws these same browsers into “Quirks” mode, where the browser assumes you’ve written old-fashioned, invalid markup and code per the depressing industry norms of the late 1990s."

If it validates using the html doctype, use that. Nothing wrong with switching doctypes from page to page. If it still won't validate using the html doctype, I would still put the doctype on the page.

Ok...I am going away. It's hot.

taff — Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:19:23 +0000

Quote: Originally posted by disaster-master
Do you have to use a table?

Not if I can find a broad reaching alternative but I'm just on the learning curve of that now.

Maybe its the heat but I guess I just not asking this right. My real question in all this rambling is the doctype one.