Busy — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:51:50 +0000

Ok, what I think I'm going to do is split it into 3 sections Basic (HTML), Average (XHTML trans) and Advanced (XHTML strict) with a question/answer on the faq page something like this:
Q/ why have 3 tutorials?
A/ A lot of people use WYSIWYG (what you see ...) editors or file managers that still only support HTML, so if people just want to learn the basics so they can quickly edit a page or what not they can with HTML, no point in learning XHTML to edit HTML. And vicer versa. XHTML trans and strict have their place as well, for some strict isn't well supported enough yet so stick with trans for when it is.

or something like that.

Now I just have to decide whether to make it all on one page like the sample in first post or do three seperate pages for each topic

Suzanne — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:12:04 +0000

lol, you do know that xhtml is really still html, right? Just with stricter rules and it's already supported.

HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 (et cetera) are different sets rules applied to the same set of tags. Ideally, a web developer should know both equally well.

XHTML 2.0, now, well, that's a whole other thing.

BrandBlast — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:57:55 +0000

People should always learn to crawl before they can walk, there's all this talk about html being phased out but you're talking about years, not days from now. Today thousands of websites are being built using html and those sites will be around for a long time to come, thousands of companies are teaching html design and don't seem to have plans to stop anytime soon, ideally it'd be great for everyone to one day say "from this day forward the internet will be designed using XHTML" but we all know this is impossible, so if you want use HTML, it's a good step to learn the foundation, then as you feel more comfortable with it, expand.

Good Luck!

Megan — Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:04 +0000

Yes, and make clear the difference between the two, and which one the newbie should start with and why.

disaster-master — Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:03:05 +0000

I think you have a good idea.

I know you haven't formatted the page but I think with a little creativity, this would be very helpful. Just make sure that it is clear which they are learning. If the idea flubs, you can always delete. I think you should give it a try though.

Busy — Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:51:10 +0000

problem with just teaching XHTML is that your actually teaching two things, XHTML and CSS which can be hard for a newbie to do (remember learning tables?) but XHTML and CSS need each other so is hard to even try seperate them.

What I was planning on doing is mentioning the font tags etc but mention CSS is the perfered method with the switch link always on hand.

The old font tag etc will be here for a while yet, as long as WYSIWYG editors etc use/offer them, or any other editor/contnet manager system so I'd rather show the right way to use them than not show them at all

Megan — Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:18:30 +0000

Actually, I would just teach xhtml period and forget about all the obsolete aspects of html. This is why so many people out there are still learning how to code incorrectly. Either that or clearly state that HTML is being phased out in favour of xhtml and it's probably best to start with the latter.

taff — Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:02:20 +0000

I like the idea! If things are laid out properly and the version well indicated, I think this would be particularly helpful to someone making the transition from html to xhtml.

Renegade — Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:34:01 +0000

I would say combine the both together yes but XHTML basically is HTML so why not just teach XHTML? sure sure you have tags like FONT and stuff but teach those as well and suggest that people should use CSS to control that kinda stuff.

Hope that made sence, I'm pretty tired. Anyways. Good night.