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    <link>https://www.webmaster-forums.net/webmasters-corner/frames-vs-something-else#comment-1123135</link>
    <description> &lt;p&gt;iframes are part of the standard, but the point is to be able to do things like scrolling content in weird places like is hacked up with dhtml, not to replace ease-of-use technologies like server-side programming. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not that intent is law, ha!&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;If something works in NS 6 it works in mozilla (since NS 6 is based on mozilla, they necessarily support the same things for the most part).  They also work in Opera so no problems there (except I woulnd&#039;t say that this is the best way to go about doing this, but whatever...)&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;I still odn&#039;t recommmend it because more and more people are beginning to use alternative browsers like opera and mozillq, so you will be stopping them from viewing your page properly, which is a big no no&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Renegade</dc:creator>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;In my experience they work in IE 5.x and netscape 6.x and up. Granted they&#039;re not the most accessible web feature but I figure if it works on at least two flavors of browsers thats good enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Spiffu</dc:creator>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;I have used iframes before, they seem to work good, but they only work on certain browsers right?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I picked up a book on php and I am learning that, my friend who has a good knowledge or C++ (he is a comp science major) is learning asp.net&lt;br /&gt;
We are hoping to combine our skills to create the page.&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;You could go with iframes too if you still don&#039;t wanna hit server side stuff yet. They&#039;re rediculously easy to code.&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;Thanks.  The three c&#039;s, Clean, Clear, and Concise. &lt;img src=&quot;https://www.webmaster-forums.net/misc/smileys/smile.png&quot; title=&quot;Smiling&quot; alt=&quot;Smiling&quot; class=&quot;smiley-content&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2003 06:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>jag5311</dc:creator>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;using nested tables for what are essentially lists is just making things more complicated than they need to be, that&#039;s all. an unordered (or ordered) list that&#039;s styled will result in a more accessible, sensible and easily edited navigation  menu, and it can be styled in many ways. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve discussed some of the ways a number of times in these forums as well. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nested tables can, for the most part, be avoided with better coding practices.&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2003 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;Suzanne,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You made a comment earlier in this thread to stay away from tables regarding Menus and content.  Is that right, or were you referring to something else?&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2003 01:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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    <link>https://www.webmaster-forums.net/webmasters-corner/frames-vs-something-else#comment-1122591</link>
    <description> &lt;p&gt;That&#039;s the best way to use PHP includes as well...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;? include &quot;header.php&quot;; ?&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This is the main heading&lt;br /&gt;
content&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;? include &quot;footer.php&quot;; ?&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Occasionally I&#039;ll have some php above the header include, setting variables for the page, such as title or meta tags as well. Othertimes, that information will be conditionally set in the header.php file.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With SSI, you can do the same thing.&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
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