Renegade — Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:53:33 +0000

Yeah, I agree that innovation comes from competition, but... I can see this thread topic changing, I think i'll stop now

dk01 — Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:47:35 +0000

I agree with Peter. I also beleive competition drives innovation and sometimes this is forgetten.
-dk

pmj7 — Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:34:34 +0000

While I don't agree with everything Microsoft does, I do think that people don't always look at things clearly. How does a fast food/oil/car/bank/department store/advertising company treat it's competition? "Hi there CEO of Wendy's, this is the CEO of McDonalds, did you know that you could get your potatoes cheaper by buying them..." Yeah right, that's gonna happen.

The goal of a business is to try and make as much money as it can following the rules set by the board, country it operates in, and the people it deals with (ie: consumers). That's not to say that a really competition-friendly, ethical company can't exist, it's just that those extra constraints mean it won't grow as fast as it's competition. Given everything else being equal.

Peter

Renegade — Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:21:26 +0000

yeah M$ hates competition and will try ANYTHING to get rid of them... damn microsoft...

Busy — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:09:16 +0000

I think Microsofts deal is if they use crap code for their site (because only IE supports it) then people using other browsers would have to change to IE to view it as they set it out.
Remember when Microsoft tired to stop other browsers viewing their site? It backfired on them

Suzanne — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:59:56 +0000

Thomas Brattli's "window" script is available from his site (above) -- it's in the "other" category.

jag5311 — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:27:27 +0000

Whoa, that site is awesome. Is that done using Layers, to minimize, maximize and close? Nice layout.

Bryan

jag5311 — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:25:47 +0000

Well, the only thing about Microsoft is that they are MICROSOFT. SO regardless of the amount of users that uses other browsers, they are still getting millions among millions of hits a day from IE users along with those using Windows operating systems. Yea, if they would sport GOOD coding, then alot of other browsers would work, and they would get more coverage, but unfortuntely, I guess they don't care

Suzanne — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:55 +0000

And that what looks good on Microsoft's site only looks good in IE. It often looks like crap on other browsers because Microsoft uses a lot of proprietary stuff, not standards to execute it. There are very nice cross-browser dhtml scripts, but MS is not the paragon to admire.

dhtmlcentral.com

MS's sites sport crap coding, bad coding practices and some very damaging precedents.

Renegade — Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:59:36 +0000

I think what she means is that, the anchor tag should not really have width elements assigned to it, and should be reserved for blockline elements (what are blockline elements?) and those [width/height] elements are more for div,tables (except height) etc...