Suzanne — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:17:24 +0000

You don't use unit measures with zero values -- 0px isn't right, it should just be 0.

N7/mac is a mess, though. And I've found that N7 works the same on both pc and mac...

fifeclub — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:44:28 +0000

Thanks for testing Opera (which I don't have). I've already got a separate script which will determine the browser type and give you this code for MSIE5, MSIE6, and NS 6 and will give all others a plain "safe" version. That'll cover +98% of my expected traffic Iif it didn't come installed on their computer, my friends and family don't even know about other browsers. But still, I'll make that safe version so I don't look bad. Thanks everyone

Renegade — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:29:29 +0000

yeah ie loves it, but opera hates it lol

Jack Michaelson — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:39:45 +0000

great work! looks en works terrific!

The Webmistress — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:45:15 +0000

Opera6 doesn't like that at all. But looks good in IE6

Renegade — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:43:21 +0000

hey looks pretty cool what about putting a set height for ur title?

fifeclub — Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:03:00 +0000

EUREKA! (I think)

I finally got it!

Relative positioning will always leave a dummy space where the element would have been, while absolute positioning closes up that space so it looks nice. But I couldn't use absolute positioning without abandoning my centered page style.

After a ton of google searching I finally came across the answer. You can use absolute positioning nested from within a fixed point on a page (rather than the edge of the screen). This fixed point is created by a relative positioning anchor! The best of both worlds. Plus it made the values consistant ("top:0px; left:0px")

The page that explained it to me was http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/articles/webrev/199802b.html but go half way down the page to a section titled "Combination Plays"

Here's what I believe is a working example for MSIE5+ and NS6+ : http://www.mikesussman.com/test3d.php. (although it may not work perfectly in NS6+, it's pretty close)
Yea! Now I can finally go to sleep.

Suzanne — Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:37:55 +0000

Mike, when I run into inexplicable coding mayhem, I do a few things to troubleshoot:

1. Validate the HTML/XHTML/CSS and correct ALL errors that come up, one by one and revalidate and test between them. This helps me see how different things affect display and the validator.

2. Use a DOCTYPE to force the browsers to display what I write, not in quirks mode.

3. Comment the heck out of my CSS and XHTML/HTML so I know EXACTLY what each thing does and I can then turn off things and turn them on and check the results inbetween.

hth,

Suzanne

fifeclub — Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:48:33 +0000

Quote: Originally posted by Renegade
no, i don't get empty space underneath, can u turn your borders on? so that i (or we) know where each div is? and how many you have used?

I made a copy with all the div's borders on 1 but none of it shows up in the empty area because they've all been relatively positioned. It's wierd to me?

http://www.mikesussman.com/test3borders.php

Renegade — Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:19:24 +0000

no, i don't get empty space underneath, can u turn your borders on? so that i (or we) know where each div is? and how many you have used?