Renegade — Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:04:08 +0000

yeah, last year i participated in the netguide webchallenge and while looking through the competitors entries once they were availiable, i saw that many had used frames and iframes but of the many of them i saw one that was done by a student who did her subject on chemistry, and they had used an iframe to contain their body information in. It was really good, infact i tried to replicate it but had no luck, i guess suzanne and a few other people were right, frames can b bad but when used effectively, it is really good ... i realise that now

pmj7 — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:16:20 +0000

When I put together my first site, http://members.shaw.ca/jonespm2/PJDigPhot.htm, I liked how frames could be used for navigation. I started it in early 1999. A small extra I placed into the site was the ability for the page to place itself within the proper frame, if the visitor was directed to the page from a search engine. Frames also allowed my site to remember a visitor's preference for external sites, in a new browser window or the same one. For a framed site, it's fairly well behaved.

My new site: http://www.supernaturalwoman.com, does not use frames, and I don't think I'd use frames again without a very good reason.

Peter

Suzanne — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:32:12 +0000

Applications often work best in frames, such as Blogger, which has a number of frames so the tool buttons, the input area, and a sample of previous posts are all visible at the same time. It helps the application work better.

As I said before, don't blame the tool, blame the designer that misuses it.

Renegade — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:53:51 +0000

yeah sorry The Webmistress,

it was a while ago that i went to that site, :S must have been new or (once again) missed it.

The Webmistress — Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:09:46 +0000

WWW Communications Ltd - and IMO not a good use of frames as they have a bottom frame with logos which spoils the flow of the eye IMO. It's easier to spot framed sites on a smaller screen/resolution most of the time as you see the side scroll bar not reaching the top!

Busy — Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:05:31 +0000

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is w3c.org or w3.org

w3c.com wont load for me, who are they?

Renegade — Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:46:59 +0000

hmm yeah good point, i guess that i can say i've seen so far would be http://www.w3c.com at first i didn't realise that they used frames untill i looked at the source code

The Webmistress — Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:44:25 +0000

It's like anything, some people like them & some don't, some will find them easy to use & some can't get to grips with them, some will make good use of them & some wont, some designs/layouts work with them & others don't.

Renegade — Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:33:08 +0000

so, if frames have more cons than that of pros, it's still a wonder to me why people use them, i had, at school i had to prove that i could use frames, in a multimedia class and i had a bit of trouble, but got it in the end... to me i find it confusing, i guess to others they find it easier :S

jammin — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:07:25 +0000

i actually like frames, but i would always include a frameless version of the site for older browsers.

most the problems with frames could be worked out.

you can solve the problem of sites frames being around your own page with a simple javascript...

if (window != top) top.location.href = location.href;

that should work to keep your site from being viewed in anyone elses frames.