hagar — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:13:07 +0000

Quote: How you work around these complications is what makes a script advanced

Hmm does that mean my ugly messy code with 500 work arounds is advanced, yet my neat code that required no work around is basic? lol;)

what really constitutes advanced code? a size? a complexity? an efficiency? usefullness? or an insight?

I'd argue, a bit of each. But momma alweys sed i wuz dum:)

Abhishek Reddy — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:58:09 +0000

Yup. As I said earlier, it depends on the solution of the problem you're trying to find.

IMO, the only thing that makes writing a script "advanced" is how you work around the language.

The idea behind flowcharts & pseudocode is that you havea free reign over what goes and what doesn't, within the boundaries of logic. But you may find that not all your planned steps are feasible, restricted now by the bounds of the language.

For example, say, a certain method you planned on using isn't available in client-side JS. Normally, all it takes is for you to break down your one step into simpler subroutines.

How you work around these complications is what makes a script advanced. Sadly, there are no tutorials for this - it's only up to how you apply logic.

hagar — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:25:20 +0000

I wasnt referring to the w3schools tutorials, but its object references, which are the real meat of scripting languages, intimate knowledge of the objects will allow you to discard tutorials. The foundation is the application planning, which alot of programmers design in pseudocode.

Knowledge of the principles of logical design is what leads to advanced scripting, coupled with the knowledge of the objects in the language you are scripting in, can lead to some powerful applications.

Noone can point to a site and proclaim, all keys to advanced scripting lay here. Its something we all learn individually through examination of problems, conceiving of programmatic solutions, and trial and error with the knowledge we do have. And google;)

jammin — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:48:24 +0000

i think you people misunderstood me... i do have a VERY good understanding of basic javascript. im sick of going through tutorials that say they are advanced but they just teach you what a variable or function is. i have been through the w3schools tutorial many times.
i want one that could help me understand how to use the tags more effectively, i have the knowledge, but i dont have any idea how to use it to put together a script.

(and even though my teacher doesnt know javascript i have to take the class, it is required for the c++ programming class which i will be in next semester)

Abhishek Reddy — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:19:39 +0000

A search on Google yielded these results:

http://www.tvcc.cc.or.us/staff/fuller/cs161/dchap2/dchap2.html
http://www.tvdsb.on.ca/saunders/courses/ICS3M/Programming/pseudo_code_guidelines.htm
http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~dhofer/pseudocode.html

They're not the best, so I'm still looking. I'll add more if I come across any others.

hagar — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:58:55 +0000

i was looking to link a pseudocode tutorial into this thread for jammin but couldnt find one that was generic enough, anyone out there got linkage to a good pseudocode tute?

Abhishek Reddy — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:40:26 +0000

I hardly think that reading tutorials will get you anywhere more advanced. What you should concentrate on is programming logic. You should be able to create any solution using a flowchart and pseudo-code. This requires very little intimate knowledge of the language of choice itself. Once you've come up with a sensible outline of your proposed script, then you can start looking for operable objects/methods to use.

Suzanne — Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:02:00 +0000

hagar has an excellent suggestion. though I'd hasten to add that if you rely on other people's scripts to do things, you probably don't have basic javascript down.

hagar — Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:22:21 +0000

your teacher does not know javascript, but assigns you javascript projects to work on? What is he grading you on? Aesthetic appeal?

How would the teacher know if you have written poor unstructured code or good well planned structured code?

You cant grade an application on "it works good" or "it doesnt work bad"

When I was in college, i made it a point to drop classes when I knew more then my lecturer on the subject being taught. Otherwise I'd end up tutoring the class, and I didnt get paid to do the lecturers work;-)

My advice would be, go look at an index of javascript commands(like this: http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp ), and use common programing concepts to design your app, then use the reference to fill in the neccessary coding. Did your lecturer bother to teach you pseudo code?

jammin — Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:53:59 +0000

i finnaly got around to checking the javascriptkit page, not really what i was looking for, i need some site that would have things that would help increase my skill with javascript to the point where i wouldnt need to rely on other peoples scripts to help write my own.

i really need to study because my internet applications teacher has assigned me and the other two advanced students javascript projects to work on. the teacher doesnt even know javascript and doesnt have any books on it that would help us so we all have to turn to online help.