The Webmistress — Wed, 01 May 2002 14:56:32 +0000

Some good links there DM, thanks

disaster-master — Wed, 01 May 2002 08:26:13 +0000

I am glad taff caught the white lines in your logo thingy. I was going to mention that earlier today and got side tracked. You said that you fixed it but I am still seeing a very faint line on the top and the one on the bottom. If you need a screen shot, I will be glad to post one for you. Or heck, if you are fixing to make a new logo(top banner), I wouldn't worry about it.

Can't wait to see what you come up with. You can do all sorts of creative things with dingbats. Stretch em, squash em, put them together and make something different. keep in mind too that you can do the same thing with just a regular font. For example, take a really swirly "S", stretch it out really big and color it so that it fades into your background and you have a neat looking swirly effect for your background of your logo. *hope that made sense*:)

Here is a link for you. Logos for the Designed Challenged Maybe you can get an idea or two.

Here is an example of what you can do with just fonts. Although these may be a bit much for what you want...you will get the idea of what can be done.
Using type for design
And another

*i am not affiliated with either of the above links...posted them for example*

Blue — Wed, 01 May 2002 07:52:28 +0000

I've fixed the font size and the white line in the logo. I agree about the green headings I just haven't got around to it yet. Interesting idea the dingbats thing. I always wondered what the heck is the deal with dingbats - a font but not really a font. Anyway I'll give it a try. I have a graphics app but I'm quite average with it. I'll have to get better.

Thanks again.

The Webmistress — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:23:57 +0000

here is the site - http://www.dingbatpages.com

taff — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:38:20 +0000

Looking better. Your logo is showing a thin white line above and below though.

I still think the green headings seem out of place.

Font size: for the record, I recommended 12px not 12pt. I use both 12px and 10px in a site. 12px I use for the main body text - large paragraphs,etc. 10px I use for page footers, footnotes, the occasional sub-nav, etc.

Graphics: Well, without a decent graphics app and some graphic design ability, you are pretty limited. There are tons of clipart sites out there but they all look... well, like clipart.

Megan gave me a great tip once. If you do have a graphics app, go searching for dingbat fonts. There are a ton of free ones out there hopefully with appropriate images that you can then manipulate to suit your needs.

Good luck!

The Webmistress — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:35:49 +0000

I normally use 12 as 10 really is very small when having to read through lots of text.

Blue — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:33:15 +0000

Ok more adjustments made now. What would I do without all of ya. I think it looks way better now.

Re: the comment about the graphics looking clipartish - it's because they are. Any suggestions for good clipart or other graphics sites. My graphics is not my strongest point !!

Re: font size - 10 px is what I was advised by the good folk here at TWF but Taff suggests 12 point. Any opinions ? What does everyone else use ?

Blue

Busy — Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:17:14 +0000

the heading boxs look a lot better blue than the yellow.
the drop down menu now works in NS4.7
but the click to email friend isnt showing up, you have no tag and the please bookmark is to hard to read, make it white or yellow text.

Blue — Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:04:40 +0000

Thanks for the updated advice. I have begun to make some of the recommended adjustments.

I didn't know about the drop menu/form thing ..... hopefully fixed now. Let me know if it works.

Point taken about the yellow boxes. It was a temporary fix but I'll have to get to work on the graphics. It's my weak point but I'll work on it.

I like news boxes. What is the vote, are scrolling news boxes bad or good ??

Blue

taff — Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:47:47 +0000

I don't have time to go back and revisit everything said earlier so forgive me if I repeat.

Overall, the site says to me: "I have no graphics software". As a result, the page headings don't grab me, the navigation is obscure, and the graphics look "clipartish" and borrowed.

The 10px font is a little hard on the eyes given the volume of content - perhaps try 12px?

Navigation: Gets kind of lost there at the bottom. Perhaps another alternative at the top of pages? Your targets in the navigation are inconsistent, sometimes the main frame, sometimes _top, and in at least one case (site map), it appears that the page loaded in the tiny navigation frame itself.

Colours: too many colours/shades going on. The result is a lack of theme for the site.

Sorry if this all seems harsh again but I think it still needs a pile of work.