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    <description> &lt;p&gt;Your very welcome, am glad I could help&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;Oh, I forgot to say a big &quot;THANKS&quot; busy!!&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;here is the tut that i used: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp&quot; class=&quot;bb-url&quot;&gt;http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i just found this at another site though&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote class=&quot;bb-quote-body&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quote: Don&#039;t be afraid of adding this line to your HTML documents. Browsers don&#039;t really use this information. Just remember to add it as the first line in your HTML files. It&#039;s only used when you validate your files.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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     <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;blockquote class=&quot;bb-quote-body&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quote: the DOCTYPE&lt;br /&gt;
the Head&lt;br /&gt;
the Body&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; what if you use frames? the body tag isnt used for a frameset page, what tutorial are you using?&lt;br /&gt;
so many how to sites out there are wrong and teach bad habits, never just use one or two, use as many as you can, I remember finding a html how to site and it said you didnt need end tags for things like the , ,  etc, so am guessing this person never used netscape or anything other than IE.&lt;br /&gt;
I have an old HTML tutorial site, once I get my own domain sorted am going to update it with XHTML stuff. [personal plug &lt;img src=&quot;https://www.webmaster-forums.net/misc/smileys/big.png&quot; title=&quot;Laughing out loud&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing out loud&quot; class=&quot;smiley-content&quot; /&gt; ]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;your site displays the same in IE5, NS 4.7, 6, Opera6 (as opera, mozilla 5.0, 4.7, 3.0 and MSIE 5.0) thats without the doctype tag.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe later it may be needed, but for now its not, even that meta content type tag is new, only really is needed to validate pages and not much more but as things change things like that probably will be needed.&lt;br /&gt;
that charset tag, I reckon is going to be more hassle than its worth in the future, as you&#039;ll be required to install multi language plugins if your not using what the web master has stated. but thats another topic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh and dont forget that 3 star image (sol.gif) it has the alt tag of the other image, alt=&quot;allie and purdie&quot;, and if you dont use a alt message, close the quotes, &quot;&quot;, not &quot; &quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;ok done. did that fix the line?&lt;br /&gt;
The tutorial that I have been using says this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote class=&quot;bb-quote-body&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quote: The  is Mandatory&lt;br /&gt;
An XHTML document consists of three main parts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the DOCTYPE&lt;br /&gt;
the Head&lt;br /&gt;
the Body&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The DOCTYPE declaration should always be the first line in an XHTML document.
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&lt;p&gt;Are you sure that the DOCTYPE can be removed with no problems???&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;add class=&quot;nav&quot; into the 3rd table cell (has width of 100%), but leave the td class from the same table set there as well. that fixes the repeating/alignment problem on the navigation bar in NS6, still have a line under the yellow banner (is now yellow) thou.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found the problem, just remove the doc type tag (one before the html tag) its only needed to validate, but wont validate without it, so validate it, then remove it and your alignment problems will be solved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve never come across this before, really weird&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;XHTML doesnt have any layout requirements as such, just expects lowercase and all closed tags, the way the images tag have been done is a way, a personal preference, if you find it easy to code this way go for it, if you find it easier on one line with no gaps, go for it, just as long as you close things like  and image tags you&#039;ll be right. its like doing your table like so:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i find it way easily and practcial to do it like so:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...  with indents on both, but dont show up here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its better in NS4.7 but not quite right, still a slight gap in NS6 also, I&#039;ll download it and try some thing rather than try this and than - back soon&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, add border=&quot;0&quot; into the second table, that fixs NS4.7&#039;s problems as for NS6, the background looks like it repeating itself but its not, also has the gap between the top and navigation. I have to get early tomorrow so better get to bed, I&#039;ll have another look in the morning for ya&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;Is it fixed now?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote class=&quot;bb-quote-body&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quote: trying to find the cause for NS6 but is a lil hard to read code when image tags are over seperate lines lol&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When i was learnign xhtml they had the image tags displayed that way. Is it an xhtml requirement to do them that way or can you just leave them the old way?&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;the cells beside the main content are blank, add the ole &amp;amp;nbsp; and you should be right, its only really NS4.7, it also has a gap around the second to last table, try take out the valigns in the bottom tables and in the tr before it, or use valign=&quot;top&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
trying to find the cause for NS6 but is a lil hard to read code when image tags are over seperate lines lol, try take out the valign=&quot;top&quot; on the first td cell, or make it valign=&quot;bottom&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and you earned the right to use those buttons, display them proudly, show em off &lt;img src=&quot;https://www.webmaster-forums.net/misc/smileys/big.png&quot; title=&quot;Laughing out loud&quot; alt=&quot;Laughing out loud&quot; class=&quot;smiley-content&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the grey background shows now &lt;img src=&quot;https://www.webmaster-forums.net/misc/smileys/smile.png&quot; title=&quot;Smiling&quot; alt=&quot;Smiling&quot; class=&quot;smiley-content&quot; /&gt; oh and you may want to check you alt tag on the 3 star thingys at the bottom &lt;img src=&quot;https://www.webmaster-forums.net/misc/smileys/smile.png&quot; title=&quot;Smiling&quot; alt=&quot;Smiling&quot; class=&quot;smiley-content&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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    <description> &lt;p&gt;ACK!!! busy, why did you have to ruin my party? I figured that it would do that. The bar background should be there now. I had forgotten up re-upload my css file last night. Guess I got excited about the xhtml thing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what I can change to fix the space in between the yellow banner and link bar. Any clues?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote class=&quot;bb-quote-body&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quote: in NS4.7 the contents section is now skinner than the top and bottom sections&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you mean that the table width is less than the top and bottom or do I just need to expand the cell that the text is in?&lt;/p&gt;
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     <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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