MarcD — Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:20:54 +0000

love and use psp7 (except) as said previosly when masking or layering is done. photoshop is the way to go there really depends on what kind of image look i want. psp is faster for some photo for others i dont hate either one

Megan — Tue, 09 Oct 2001 13:49:26 +0000

The reason why we say that it is the industry standard is becuase that's just the way it is. It's not that we're saying that this is good or right or that it's because PS really is better. This is not to say that you can't make professional graphics in PSP - you can, it's just that this program isn't accepted by "the industry" for pretty superficial reasons.

When I was interviewing for my first co-op job I had put "word processing" on my resume instead of Word/WordPerfect. I figured that these programs are all the same so they employers should know what I mean. I thought it would be more impressive to show that my skills weren't tied to any one program. Sure enough, in my first interview the employers asked me "So can you use WordPerfect?" and I thought, "Well, duh!" I thought it was pretty obvious that these things are all the same but the employers didn't seem to know that. Another employer assumed that since I put Dreamweaver on my resume then I must not be able to hand-code (even though I had a long list of my coding skills on there too!).

So, employers want to know if you can use their preferred software package becuase, it seems to me, they often don't understand that skill isn't necessarily tied to a specific program. And there are other more practical reasons too of course.

Quote: come on people, think for yourselves, buy, use, promote what YOU like, not what is "industry standard", why degrade yourselves?

Because if I want to get a job that pays me money I have to "degrade myself" sometimes. I have to give the employers what they want. If you want to get a full-time job doing graphics work for a company (not working for yourself - then it doesn't matter) you're going to have to know Photoshop. Sure, I could put go into an interview and go on about how great PSP is, try to convince them that I can do just as well with it, but then I probably wouldn't even get in the door without Photoshop on my resume. This is just the way it is.

I haven't gotten around to playing with PSP 7 too much yet - had to go away for thanksgiving weekend... maybe I'll try it out again tonight.

mairving — Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:40:53 +0000

Well we ought to be able to discuss things like this rationally. So many people today get bent out of shape by the little things. It just not worth it.

Busy — Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:38:37 +0000

Sorry Dan208 and others, it just gets to me how people label things for no apparent reason.

One artist that came to mind when I read the previous threads was Pinoy7 - (I think it is), and mann-made-images I think is another awesome psp graphic artist, these guys (or gals) would be on mega bucks if thats what they did as a job, I doubt people would say "no thanks, I dont want you working on my designs because you use PSP (or fireworks or MS paint)".

I say let your work show the skills, not the programs you use.

*then thinks all the woman could burn their bras :)*

*busy puts some old 60's music on, walks up to Dan208 and says "sorry, no hard feelings, and starts to shake (to the music ) and with a smile shakes hands (cause thats what guys do) and agrees that this isnt the time for hate*

Photosop-industry standard

dan208 — Tue, 09 Oct 2001 01:18:47 +0000

No need to get back biting.
I use PSP, I like PSP, I was just trying to say that if you are doing graphics as a career you HAVE to know Photoshop. No one cares if you use PSP because no businesses use it.
I used PSP for the longest time until I got Photoshop and I still use PSP today, I interchange between programs because I have found that both have good features that the other doesn't.
Now come on, all love, no hate. The world doesn't need hate right now.

mairving — Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:47:39 +0000

Busy, no one is doubting ones ability to make good graphics using PSP. A good artist can really use either program. I personally use Photoshop because it is the best tool for me. A valid point is that it is better to say on your resume 'expert in Photoshop' than 'expert in Paint Shop Pro' for the very reason that you are against. Many would look at that and say, 'I see' and think no way am I going to hire this guy. Paint Shop Pro is just not used in the corporate world like Photoshop is.

Of course, then there are those that use Fireworks. Never could quite figure that one out.

Busy — Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:52:18 +0000

so just because I dont use photoshop to make graphics I cant make "industry standard" graphics?

what a load of pig snot.

Look at FP, its also "industry standard" but its not the best out there, DW can be more reliable, FP wouldnt even get in the top 5 editors as its so bad, even thou it is improving its still no where perfect.

The world is a farm, and we are all sheep.

if someone high up told everyone that bread is now known as flag pole, you'd all believe it, come on people, think for yourselves, buy, use, promote what YOU like, not what is "industry standard", why degrade yourselves?

Remember when windows was "the one and only" way to go? shock horrer, some of the "sheep" wised up and made netscape, linux, opera ...

this isnt directed to anyone person, and sorry for jumping off the topic - again but psp isnt just for the hobbiest.

Photosop-industry standard

dan208 — Mon, 08 Oct 2001 17:40:13 +0000

If you are serious about web designa and grapghics photoshop is the one to get because it is an industry standard, so most companies will want you to have knowledge in it rather than psp, but psp is good for just the hobbyist.

z28cam — Sun, 07 Oct 2001 10:05:33 +0000

I have the psp 7 and I totaly love it, photo shop is very complex and as everyone knows to dang expensive. sure it can do a couple things PSP cant do but is that worth the 500 dollar difference %$#@ no. If you haven't seen the things that PSP7 can do you would be amazed at what 100 bucks can do for you. Plus you dont have to be a weight lifter to bring psp home. the box for photo shop is almost bigger then my car lol jk.

Ok thats my 2 cents

Busy — Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:26:34 +0000

I was afraid of this - but like I said, I have both, like both, but prefer psp, I'm a jeans and t-shirt man, do I need to say more?

I'd be really interested in your findings of psp 7, as I don't have it, (only 5 and 6)and really think I need 7, maybe mistaken thou.

the color default palette in v5 and 6 are the basic ones, go to file/pretences (I think its around there) and choose the other palette (or maybe toolbar settings - sorry I forget) I usually just click on either foreground or background color and pick/make a color from there. For blending use the airbrush, for shading the gradient fill (not set at default, use the tool palette to adjust), the magic wand and eye dropper are the best functions personally

Psp 6 has vector text but its manual - you shape it, instead of preset shapes.

If you want to do bevel, drop shadow etc in vectors, select it and select effect, if your working in layers select the layer, select the vector (if not already unselected) then effect it, I haven't played with v7 so am not sure of the new layout, have heard some impressive things about it.

Does the mouseover image function do da give you the code (HTML & JavaScript) or just cuts it up?

how about the text option (choosing the font)? they went backwards on that in v6, you had to select from the drop down and choose a font every time you tried one, instead of the down arrow option in v5

It will be interesting, your review of psp even thou you maybe a lil biased towards your old faithful that's understandable