har he har har

Suzanne — Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:04:26 +0000

If you don't do sites for goverments and lawyer firms, I'm hoping you won't see Netscape 3. I still get occasional hits from Netscape 3 and IE 3 and even Netscape 2 (eep!) on my personal site, because I have friends in remote locations and they can't get anything higher to work on their 486 or even 386... One in Africa, for instance, accessing the web via a party phone line -- try that for a pain in the arse.

It totally depends on your audience. If you have an audience with newer machinery, then they have newer browsers. If you have a different kind of audience... Well, you have to know your audience.

Suzanne

Spoiled

caislander — Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:49:57 +0000

Hey All,

I knew living where I do would spoil me someday We concider anything not running Win 98SE or higher to be outdated aniquated and ready to be surplused And everone I know has 2 or 3 beta programs on their machine.
Suzanne,
I just checked the most recent logs for one of the sites I maintain in the last 5000 unique views I have had one view with a 3.0 browser.. So anyway this has been an interesting thread Dos uh? Can't even remember what that looks like Wonderful country you have up there but darn old computers

Later

y2k

Suzanne — Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:09:33 +0000

y2k caught a lot and they upgraded their systems from Netscape 3 to Netscape 4.x... ha ha.

It will take the web breaking for them before they will make the changes. In order to encourage the change, they need to see a value in it. Security, encryption, increased functionality and increased productivity -- these things are stronger than "it looks better".

Suzanne

"If it aint broke, don't fix it!!"

The Webmistress — Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:23:30 +0000

I tend to agree with Suzanne, it's the big/older companies that are using the antiquated systems. They just have so many people using the custome built systems that to upgrade them all just so that "surfing the net" would be made more enjoyable for their staff, they just aint gonna do it! They would probably say "If it aint broke, don't fix it!!"

me, neither...

Suzanne — Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:46:04 +0000

Me, neither, love, me neither. They get a lot of business clients and lawyers, and those are big corporate type downtown types and last I worked in a big corporate downtown type office, all the OS were adapted "customized" to prevent the users from being lusers, and as such, any upgrade is a pretty significant effort.

Add on to that that the browsers need to undergo the same sort of modifications...

Sometimes I'm surprised that corporate behemoths can move at all. Two years ago I was working for the provincial government and using DOS, no shit. I had WordPerfect5.1 and everything, wasn't I lucky! You should have seen my boss's "cellphone" -- looked like she stole it from a WWII movie.

*sigh*

Suzanne

Re: Comments

Mark Hensler — Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:02:37 +0000

Quote: Originally posted by Suzanne
Dunno how far back. Eeriely, one of my customers (upscale restaurant here in Vancouver) get regular hits from Netscape 3 and IE 3 -- like 1/2 their total hits. Very frightening.

Good grief! What OS are they running? Win 3.1?!?
I can't understand why some people are so far behind the times.

Comments

Suzanne — Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:10:18 +0000

Dunno how far back. Eeriely, one of my customers (upscale restaurant here in Vancouver) get regular hits from Netscape 3 and IE 3 -- like 1/2 their total hits. Very frightening.

Definitely need it for those guys.

Usually, however, I use external style sheets, and have been working with the recommendations of webstandards.org and following the tutorials and help at alistapart.com (start with issue No. 99) to protect the lower browsers from the higher technology.

Suzanne

Comments

caislander — Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:36:23 +0000

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the correction on the embedded style sheet I agree that is the correct way and the way I should have written to start with..
I rarely use comment tags any more since all browsers since IE 3 & NS 4.0b2 have been able to read embedded style sheets and therefore do not require the use of comment tags. After reading logs for some decent sized sites the number of people with browsers below those standard are almost non-existant, I think that comment tags used like that are a holdover from times when CSS was very young and browsers had worse standards support than they have today (that's a terrible thought )

Thanks Again

Mark Hensler — Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:17:59 +0000

How low of a browser to you need to get for it to blow up when you ommit the comment tags in ?

Valid

Suzanne — Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:10:37 +0000

If you are using style tags in the head tag (as opposed to an external CSS sheet), then you will want to have:

To protect lower browsers, and to have valid HTML code. You also don't need to specify the tag () if you are going to use it for any tag that needs to have things highlighted. I use the class declaration only (.hl, as above) and use it for whenever I need the client to review specific information, so it is usually a span, but sometimes entire paragraphs, or headings.

Suzanne