hmm

natebell — Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:41:27 +0000

i love to hear what everyone thinks about the subject, and i like to talk about it too, but....

did you check my site? i want to know if the scrolling div is good, and if so can it be done in netscape?

also the random quote at the top of the page, doesn't work in NS, but does in IE, can anyone help?

thanks,

ps i was(am, don't really know) an IE fan, but i think that it is best to try and just get things to work on both or at least gracefully degrade anyway give me some feed back, i respect everyones thoughts and opinions, they are much appreciated.

predictability

mmi — Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:45:39 +0000

still, I think the point was well stated, that although IE is "easier" to write to, N is a better platform to test on cuz, as you hear people say, "if it works on N..." - I agree that angel-counting is subjective at best - it's better to accept the browser environment thst exists and write flexible code

oh no, not 'standards' again

AndyB — Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:29:36 +0000

IE-whatever is not 100% compliant with html and css standards. NN-whatever is not 100% compliant with html and css standards. Nor is AOL whatever or Opera.

So what? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

You are unlikely to get an IE user to admit NN is better. You are unlikely to get an NN user to admit IE is better.

Each browser has it's own browser-specific implementations that (no surprise) do not work on another browser.

i think i am beginning to like netscape!

natebell — Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:00:26 +0000

i have learned a lot, netscape however much it doesn't support, at least they have standards!!!
IE you could implement something a thousand ways, so editting someones work could be hard. enough of that

ok my site is looking better, i am really proud of the netscape version looks great.

i want some feedback though, on the differences between the two, IE and NS.

the differences being

in IE it has a div that lets you scroll, keeping the menu and banner at the top

while in NS it doesn't do this, or dynamically refresh the quote at the top

so if anyone can tell me which looks better the IE version or the NS version and if i should try to implement one or the other, how? cause i cant get the NS version to refresh the quote at the top and the scrolling box that works IE doesn't in NS.

thanks people this forum is awesome!!!!

ps i say versions however they are the same, just gets rendered differently, hence i need help making them more uniform as much as possible.

we'll all look back someday and have a good laugh, I suppose

mmi — Wed, 07 Mar 2001 03:56:44 +0000

I sure do agree that the limitations of NN4 can drive ya crazy - until it fades from use (as has IE3, Thank God), I guess we're all in the same boat if we want everybody to be able to see our pages display "properly" - I just have a lot more respect for Netscape as a company - they developed browser technology - they look to serve the public interest - a lot of the problems with NN4 are the result of pushing the development envelope while the W3C "thought things over" - I think if M$ had not engaged in such criminally predatory business practices (as DOJ seems to believe) to gain market share, control the internet, rape the public, etc., we all might be better off - anyway, so much for useless rhetoric - here's a link that may help you get those rollovers displaying in Netscape - and you're right - this is an excellent forum

off topic but ohwell

natebell — Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:03:17 +0000

ok, i am reading your article, not even done yet, so this might be a question that is answered.

so if MS sucks, which it does, where is the browser besides IE that can make my webpage look cool for the same amount of code? netscape sucks, maybe i have used IE for too long, but when coding html, using xhtml w3c standards and the such it seems that IE is better.

please explain.

problems i have with NS?

on my site i want to have the javascript rollovers work, they don't on NS, i also want to use style sheets for links.
sure they work for my text as you see, but look what happens on NS. i know i am new to html and all, but i just can't get it to work, i have looked at other peoples style sheets time and again and it just doesn't work for me, someone please help me get NS links to look better, maybe i have some setting on my browser i have to change:)

thanks everyone, this is the best forum i have ever seen!!!!!

just a guess but...

mmi — Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:12:36 +0000

if the problem you have with Netscape is unwanted breaks on styled elements, placing this in the body tag may helponresize="if(navigator.appName=='Netscape')location.reload()"' - and be careful using 's for alignment - they can space out differently on a Mac platform - here's a link for all you M$ lovers

haemavore — Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:46:32 +0000

Netscrape GrrRRRrrrr

You dont need to use CSS, just tables will do.
I learnt from a book called HTML Goodies which has the whole of it's content on line here

Some of it's a little out of date but mostly still relevant.

Also,I often use position:absolute and lots of and on my site more than tables because it (almost) guarantees the site looking identical in all resolutions.

(Netscrape still sometimes manages to fk it up, but not too badly)

I'm going to bed now 'cos it's late. Good night and good luck!

natebell — Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:34:04 +0000

i used to use tables, but then i ran into netcrap problems, but of course i still have them, so maybe i should go back:)

do you know how to get style sheets to work on NS?

i have seen them used everywhere, and i even look at the code, but i have no idea why it doesn't work for me, any ideas?

thanks,

haemavore — Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:31:08 +0000

No, I didn't refresh..yes that works...however if you used tables instead of a JavaScript it would resize 'live' as it were....just a thought.