Vincent Puglia — Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:12:33 +0000

Hello Gentle People,

As Mike implied, let's try to keep this thread on the topic. Otherwise, a new surfer will get verrrrry confused
Here on in, IE vs NN vs AOL posts should go to the General Discussion forum. In fact, I'll start a thread there regarding AOL's constant disconnects, just to get rolling.

Thanks

Vinny

Mike Fisher — Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:46:10 +0000

What the hell is everybody's problem with Microsoft?

Is it the fact that they actually make advancements?

Hell, all of those Windows "problems" are easily solved--I can leave my computer on for around a week without a loss in performance. You just need to fine turn Windows to suit your needs, and not bog down the system.

Also, their developer network is great! I enjoy everyone that I have conversed as a result of this group.

Sigh, I stray from the topic. Oh, and AOL pretty much turned IE into what I'd like to call "cheap crack whore."

Parker — Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:24:14 +0000

I use AOL. I find it terrible I get signed off all the time. I am going to switch to Comcast Cable soon. I know it is available. I read about DSL around my area and it got bad ratings so I will go with Cable.

Maverick — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:50:48 +0000

I believe the IE/AOL thing is a contract obligation. M$ paid AOL big bucks to commit to IE long-term before AOL bought Netscape. As far as I know that deal is still in effect and AOL must continue to use IE until it expires. Obviously at that point they'll switch over to NN as the default browser, but will it be too little too late? As a Microsoft-hater I hate to admit it, but deals with AOL and illegal business practices aside, IE 5 took over the web because it was a better browser than NN 4.x

mjames — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:44:48 +0000

On my web site, we use CSS - it's quite nice.

We have all of our CSS coding in a .css file and we can update it whenever and it will change on every page. If you want certain links to obey a CSS code, you can go , where the base="main" part changes according to your CSS code.

Vincent Puglia — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:28:30 +0000

Hi y'all,

Netscape's problems with css & dHTML stem from that fact that their ver 4 browsers came out way before http://www.w3.org ('the' site for raw information) published their standards. IE's ver 4 browser appeared closer to the publish date -- ergo -- better compliance.

CSS itself was developed to separate the content from the content's format -- sort of like what Windows' APIs & drivers do -- you plug in the format and the browser decides how to display it based on the hardware's type (monitor, projection screen, webTV, audio) and capabilities (resolution, colors, etc).

As mentioned above, css can also be included within the HTML page. Which means you can change the style dynamically with javascript (...onMouseover="this.style = somethingElse")

Parker: The inclusion of a css file does not necessarily mean all of your pages will be automatically updated -- you may need to id various elements, remove old formatting tags and code (otherwise they will override the style sheet), etc. However, once you make the change, you will have only one file to change for all future changes.

Vinny

Adam Oberdorfer — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:26:10 +0000

I’ve heard different numbers for Netscape. However it’s been around 15-17% for the past few months. Not long ago it was the other way around. Netscape is falling fast. Everyone I know who ‘was’ a die-hard Netscape fan now uses both or Internet Explorer exclusively.

Netscape’s main supporters are now corporate environments that continue to use Netscape and Netscape Mail servers. I’ve seen 3 clients of mine switch from Netscape to Microsoft in the past 3 months alone. And now that both the Windows and Macintosh world are dominated by Internet Explorer Netscape is no longer “king” of cross-OS operation.

Even with the purchase of Netscape AOL continues to use Microsoft Internet Explorer as its core component. I’ve heard speculations that the next version will use Netscape. But I believe AOL and Microsoft go WAY back and will always be technology partners.

Unless Netscape 6 jumps the enthusiasm for Netscape I believe UNIX and LINUX browsers will quickly become more dominate (in the stats anyway). Soon everyone who builds sites on a professional level will need 3-4 machines just for compatibility testing.

In terms of Style Sheets.. They are defiantly worth learning and understanding inside and out. The actual concept is very basic and it will give you a firm base for tackling DHTML. Web Monkey has some great articles at http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/authoring/stylesheets/

Mark Hensler — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:47:05 +0000

I think the percentage is higher [I heard 40% somewhere, but that's probably to high].

Think about it. AOL bought Netscape, right?
So what do you think AOL is using as it's browser?
Now how many numb skulls use AOL?

Please don't get me wrong. I HATE Netscape. Microsoft is the way to go for browsers.

Another thing to consider... How many AOL users know that they're not on the web? AOL has everyone confused with their stupid 'keywords' that some AOL users [that I have talked to] don't know what to do with a URL!

Mike Fisher — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:46:27 +0000

Blah. Netscape users represent the last 14% of the iternet. I don't see why they just don't switch over... but, oh well.

Maverick — Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:18:51 +0000

Create an external file named foo.css In it put all your assigned behaviors, things like:

B {

font-family : verdana, arial
font-size : 9pt;
font-weight : bold;
color : black;
}
H3 {
font-family : trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans serif;
font-size : 14pt;
font-weight : bold;
color : white;
background : 000059;
}

etc etc etc

Upload the foo.css file to your server

Link to it with the following tag in the HEAD section of your documents:

Then, you can change the single foo.css file to make global changes to the entire site, making it possible to change colors, fonts, backgrounds, positioning, etc on hundreds of pages by editing a single file. Combine CSS with included files for things like navigation bars, headers and footers and site maintainance and updates/remodels become a breeze.

Just a word of caution: While CSS can be a godsend in the power it offers, it's also a nightmare due to the differences in how NN and IE render certain things (or more accurately, in the way NN refuses to render certain things). It's really aggravating to come up with exactly the effect you're looking for in IE only to discover that the same codes looks like trash in NN. Frustration levels can be high. Good luck