Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:31:00 +0000

I'm sorry - I have dealt with an overwhelming number of people via ICQ that think this entire situation is absolutely stupid. No one, besides you (thinkhost) has any problems with the way things have been handled at TWF in the past and absolutely no one wants to change signature requirements. In fact, there are quite a number of protests to placing restrictions on signatures.

For that, I am closing this thread until JP has a chance to look at it and reopen it if he wants. JP, please contact me via ICQ when you read this so that we can discuss this situation.

I do still think we could make the terms of service more clear in the way of spam, but there isn't going to be a signature restriction put into effect.

The changing of my signature wasn't due to the pressure of this thread. I personally felt that it was big and ugly and served no real purpose when people could easily click on the link and get the same information. Most of the users know me anyway. I feel that my signature now accomplishes as much as it did before and it doesn't distract from the actual post nor does it take up extra space. I don't have a problem with any user's signature here and I will continue to recommend to JP that no signature restrictions be put into effect.

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thinkhost — Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:44:00 +0000

fairhousing,

I assume you like to be fair, right?

So why not make things fair? I agree the TOS is the big key, and it will be a HUGE step forward. But going along with that why not limit the signatures to make sure they're not spammy? Chad has volunteered to go so, and my kudos go to him. If you clearly want to work towards building a GREAT community, which this site has the potential of becoming, why not go that extra distance?

This can, in the end, be a GREAT forum, but I think we all have to agree to be fair.

thinkhost — Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:48:00 +0000

Well I like to make change, and I think that has been accomplished very well, and I think and hope that many will follow Chad's lead.

Now back to the chicken and the egg issue...

Brian Farkas — Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:08:00 +0000

Well Justin, your sig IS pretty long ...

I don't have a problem with it though, it just seems like you are trying to fit in every detail about your company. BTW it does seem strange that your web site is not up yet- it still displays "Coming April 1"

Brian

Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:28:00 +0000

I just removed the tagline "Do you need webhosting?" and our pricing... Basically just condensed it by getting rid of stuff that I didn't feel needed to be there in the first place. It looked large and ungly anyway

I'm not giving in to the signature thing one bit... This just did pursuade me to do something I already planned on doing for the last couple of days.

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fairhousing — Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:02:00 +0000

hilarious, i can't believe folks are going on about signatures. when the issue is thinkhost's posts and a spam guideline for posting at this forum.

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Justin S — Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:03:00 +0000

Oh man Chad! You gave into the signiture deal Anyway- I guess you're going to say my signiture is to big now, right? I think signitures arn't a problem period.

Personal attacks? ThinkHost, if you want to stop personal attacks, then stop attacking people! 'Cause you're the only one personally attacking people. Geez...

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Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:24:00 +0000

I changed my signature recently to reflect my status here. Some people were confused, so I changed it to include my title as a TWF Administrator. While doing so, I did edit my small piece of "signature spam" and I have to agree that it did become more spam than I like to see. I have reduced it back to what it was before, not excluding my role at TWF nor getting rid of something that I feel is deserved. I think that my signature now offers everything that anyone could expect or want. I have what I want in the signature, but I also have what is needed as a member of this community that has additional responsibilities.

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Max — Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:10:00 +0000

It always brings a chuckle to see how quick people are to throw about legal terms and not so quick to demonstrate a substantiated understanding of them, especially those of the Net community.

I've dealt with law from the federal level to the ever so common intellectual property and copyright issues of our wonderous Internet age and all I can say is this 'novel', as you put it, has been mildly amusing.

Anyway, regarding the sigs, as a business owner for 12 years now I know the desire to advertise whenever the opportunity presents itself. Longterm view -- it is a phase, for the most part, but may sometimes be hard to resist. You are just trying to promote your business, as an honest and ethical member of the business community, we hope, and you know advertising is key to your survival. Your method and presentation however are so very important.

As business owners I'm sure you know that the best critique and advice towards your performance comes not from your colleagues but ultimately from your customers. I'm expanding my business to the Net so to most of you I suppose I would be considered a hosting customer. For what it's worth, this is my view, a customer's view if you will, on the sigs. I only bring this up because the sig situation struck me since my first visit here a few weeks ago. The administrators, especially you Chad, pride yourselves on the noncommecrcial user-support nature of this forum. I must say you're on to something. It is a fantastic idea and very impressive. That's why I feel it's worthwhile to give you my straightforward view on this. So please don't take offense to my well-intentioned bluntness. Looking at the sigs shows an inconsistency with the standards you are proud of. These various signatures strewn all over the forums with, dare I use the word, 'spam-like' catch phrases and styled text and some sigs nearly qualifying as a whole paragraph, are not as effective in getting you business as they are in getting a frown -- my opinion. Seeing some of these sigs, they qualify as nothing more than toned down versions of tasteless advertising. If you want to proclaim standards, I suggest going all the way with them, not three quarters of the way. That's what will bring home a solid level of respect from potential customers. My signature suggestion is to include an URL and a one-line description of the company or services, nothing less, nothing more. If your company is solid and your posts are well thought out, you'll be attracting many more customers than looking like you're begging for them with insane signatures.

Max

vy22 — Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:06:00 +0000

hahaha can't believe that url exists!
Who would of thought!

~Vy~