anti — Fri, 12 May 2000 14:43:00 +0000

Hi,

I had a similar problem 2 years ago.
A big german provider held my domain webhome.de hostage for around 16 month.

I have it back, but it gave the lawyers quite a bit of work.

Luckily it looks like the process is being changed so that the admin-c can override the tech-c

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Ted — Tue, 09 May 2000 14:14:00 +0000

Anat,
Yours is the first Hebrew site I have visited. Never thought about it until now, but the "Standard" for Hebrew sites is probably to have the nav bar on the right as opposed to the left with English language sites, correct?

fairhousing — Tue, 09 May 2000 07:39:00 +0000

i think u'll find a high level of customer service from network solutions as the competition for saling domain names continues to increase while ns continue to charge outrageous fees.

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cds — Tue, 09 May 2000 07:11:00 +0000

Hey, I almost deciphered it. Decided it kinda looks like my handwriting and then I remembered that I can't read my own handwriting so I gave up!

Dan

Fri, 05 May 2000 17:52:00 +0000

Yeah. That’s not normal. I have a client who’s been trying for over a month to get his administrative contact changed.

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Fri, 05 May 2000 12:47:00 +0000

Glad to hear you got it settled Anat!!!! I am extremely surprised that Network Solutions worked with you guys that quickly. In my experience with them, it takes at least 2 weeks for them to get moving and another two weeks before any results are seen in these cases.

BTW, your site is in gibberish ... Nice looking site though (and cat).

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anat — Fri, 05 May 2000 10:46:00 +0000

Hi Chad,
All's well that ends well...
My site is online again. My brother-in-law contacted Network Solutions and they changed the administrative contact so that's also him now.
I'll definitely take up your advice on the renewal.
You can have a look at Shoonra now at www.shoonra.com. It's in Hebrew so your browser will probably show Gibberish, but you can see my cat in the middle!
Thanks again.
Anat.

Tue, 02 May 2000 00:07:00 +0000

You will have to get involved with Network Solutions on this, which isn't fun. Network Solutions is a pain in the butt to work with in these types of situations (as in most complicated situations).

http://www.networksolutions.com

You probably want to visit that URL. They have the information you will need to take on something like this.

Basically, what you will be doing is having K. Vision system solutions LTD. tell them that 1stchoice is not authorized to be the admin, technical, or billing contact, and you will want them to change the contacts to yourself. This will involve K. Vision system solutions LTD. as they are the owners of the domain. Once the contacts are changed, you will be able to change the name servers.

I would recommend that once the domain comes up for renewal in September of 2001, just let it expire and than register it in your own name, instead of K. Vision system solutions LTD.

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anat — Mon, 01 May 2000 13:59:00 +0000

Thanks for the help!
I suspect that K. Vision systems is my brother-in-law's company. I'll try and find out if that's him personally or not. If it is there should be no problem getting him to act on my behalf in whichever way needed. I guess that would mean him writing to 1stchoice and telling them to let go of the domain, is that right?
By the way, is it legally possible for a host to hold on to a domain like that? Like you said, it's pretty much a hostage in a financial dispute.
I'd hate to have to find a different domain, as I've managed to build quite a uniqe web identity in Israel. It's a non-comercial site but it has huge success in Israeli terms. It's meant to help cat owners take better care of their cats and has tons of info in Hebrew on the subject. I'm doing it with the help of the Israeli Cat Society which is dedicated to helping cats, esp. ferals and strays. In fact what I'm most proud of is the dozens of cats which my site helped to find good homes for in the short period in which it's been online.
Point is, the domain is a big part of my web identity (it means cat in arameic). It is the site's name and it's got all it's publicity by that name (I got very positive reviews in leading newspapers, national radio and national TV). It would be a shame to let it die and I'll do my best to save it.
Thanks again for your help Chad. I'll let you know how it goes.
Anat.

Mon, 01 May 2000 12:32:00 +0000

code:

Registrant:
K. Vision system solutions LTD. (SHOONRA-DOM)
Meshek1
Netaim, Israel 76870
IL

Domain Name: SHOONRA.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Company Administration (SF232-ORG) admin@1STCHOICESITE.COM
1st Choice International Holdings Inc
265 Klassen Road
Kelowna, BC V1X7P1
CA
250-491-9386
Fax- 250-491-5644
Billing Contact:
Mosenzon, Ofer (OMX5) oferm2@HOTMAIL.COM
K. Vision system solutions LTD.
Meshek1
Netaim, Israel 76870
IL
+972 3 9666920 (FAX) +972 3 9581098

Record last updated on 21-Sep-1999.
Record expires on 21-Sep-2001.
Record created on 21-Sep-1999.
Database last updated on 1-May-2000 03:33:09 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.1STCHOICE-UN.NET 216.15.209.2
NS2.1STCHOICE-UN.NET 216.15.209.3
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Basically, that says a couple things:

1) The domain is still pointing at 1stchoice's servers which is why it is down.
2) K. Vision system solutions LTD. owns the domain. Now, unless this is you, this could be a very big problem.
3) Your domain hasn't been moved thus far because admin@1STCHOICESITE.COM has not authorized it, or at least, that is what I suspect. It isn't that Cedant *didn't* try to move the domain but it is that they *couldn't* - This doesn't make up for not contacting you explaining the situation, of course. This is your old host and they are basically holding your domain hostage.

You are in a really *big* bind here as from what I can see, you have absolutely no controlling power over this domain. You basically don't own this domain and you have nothing to do with it so unless you can get 1stchoice or K. Vision system solutions LTD. to work with you, you can't do much except let the site die. If K. Vision system solutions LTD. is willing to transfer the domain to you, than you will be OK ... You will have to contact them about that.

You are in the worst position that I have seen for a domain name. I would suggest that you contact WestHost and ask them to help you out in trying to transfer ownership of your domain to you - hopefully they would be willing to do so but they aren't obligated to. As for making your domain work until the domain is in your hands, this isn't likely. Since 1stchoice shut you down, I doubt they are going to take the needed actions to transfer your domain. Your site is going to remain in limbo forever or until you can transfer the ownership of the domain.

I'm sorry to see that you are in this type of a situation. You have pretty much just lost your domain. Unless K. Vision system solutions LTD. is going to work with you, you might as well search for a new domain.

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