chicken — Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:29:00 +0000

re: c, r, tm

also have been reading up on this. Copyright applies to pretty much anything you create and you DON'T have to state that a work is copyrighted for it to be. The fact that it was created gives you automatic copyrights against people who try to claim it as their own. Relying on this in court should prove to be interesting for both parties.

TM is trademark. Generally for things like logos, or company names pertaining to your buisness. You don't even have to register your TM, although it limits your claim to the TM. Even when properly registered, you are limited by where they were registered.

Examples of this are: You register your neat log in the USA, BILLNET WEB SERVICES (even simple type can be TM'd). This name could be used in China with no problems unless you registered your TM there as well. Also, someone could register BILLNET CHIMNEY CLEANERS here in the USA, and there wouldn't be a problem.

R, registered, is the registered version of TM. Once you register your TM, you are allowed to put the R symbol next to your logo, etc.

SM, is like TM, except that it is a Service Mark, for companies providing services. Web Hosting most likely falls into this catagory. BILLNET INTERNET might provide web consulting services.

This is just a little of what I have gathered (ie: the basics), and some of it might not be 100%, but it should be enough to get you going.

Nothing to do with the exact post, but someone had a question about it.

Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:11:00 +0000

Well, it’s about time we had a moron in our forum. Your point is valid Mr. Moron. In one way or another almost every site takes content from someone or another site.
The idea of the web is more or less a large network. Anyone can tell you who work in a business that networking is an essential aspect of keeping the business afloat. Without making connections with others you will not succeed The Web is the same way in many regards. It is what it is because people send and receive data in a friendly manner, sites that are on-way don’t last very long; sites that truly network with others become the “big boys”.

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forumoron — Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:39:00 +0000

Maverick,

Not an arguement, just a clarification.

Isn't your site almost completely based on someone ele's material?

Did you have a hand in producing Monty Python?

Do you own copyrights for all of those wav's?

Seriously, just wondering what your definition of original content is.

If you take someone else's work and compile it on your own page and then put a banner on it, what is the difference between that and someone who frames your page?

By your own definition aren't you a "content stealing scumbag"?

When people pull up each one of those pages to download a sound bite, and your banner loads, which pays you money, aren't you using someone else's content to pad your pocket?

Of course, if you have permission to use or compile all of that material, then you aren't, I'm just going by what I saw.

orlando_5 — Mon, 17 Apr 2000 05:34:00 +0000

Thanks Adam! I needed that script. Its kind of silly to think that those big companies will sue a small site for these transgressions. They will have so many bad press that only the most stupid person in the company would even think of it.

Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:17:00 +0000

In regards to the legal aspect. As long as you include the entire site and a “brake the frame” type link I don’t see why any site would care. If this was a major problem about.com, hotmail.com, ask.com, etc would all be out of business or would have changed there system.

Brian,

You can do this easily in PHP or ASP (as robp suggested). There are also quite a few CGI scripts. I’ve listed a few below.
http://www.verysimple.com/scripts/frameit.html http://freecgibin.yongfang.com/frameit.htm

Good luck,

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orlando_5 — Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:45:00 +0000

quote:Originally posted by Suzanne:
Tell ya what, Gil, link Microsoft in your frames and then let me know how many of their brutes knock on your door.

Suzanne

I think Microsoft has more things to worry about then sueing someone like Robp. Just won't happen.

fairhousing — Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:26:00 +0000

generally, nobody's gonna sue u outright with contacting u first. just do it and see what happens. another company's site i had in frames one time just made it so that any referring url's from my site got a big old blank page, hehe.

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Suzanne — Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:36:00 +0000

Tell ya what, Gil, link Microsoft in your frames and then let me know how many of their brutes knock on your door.

Suzanne

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Gil — Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:21:00 +0000

I think it's no big deal. Lots of people do stuff like that, including the all-powerful group of dummies at Microsoft. Just look at Hotmail. They don't even give you the chance to open it in a new window! I'd think someone would have complained by now if it was a serious issue...

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Rob Pengelly — Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:44:00 +0000

Well, I did add a link to "Open in full window" at the top frame, but I may just decide to open up in a new window.

So far I have emailed the news services, and said if they have a problem with what I am doing email me back. No repsonse back.

hmmmm

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