Browser support for .PNG -
Edward,
Good Luck with the site when it comes out.
What collection of images did you get those graphics from?
Have you had a look at Dreamweaver 2, do you think I should upgrade?
JP
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itguy posted this at 19:05 — 30th January 1999.
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I got them from sas art insititute, dont know if they are still online.
I still think that the text editor is the very best way to go, I've learned this time and time again.
I think Dreamweaver is fantastic in some ways but dismal in others. The big problem I have is when a company develops a product that attempts to redefine the user interface to thier own 'standards'. This i find makes Dreamweaver, albeit feature rich, heavy and tricky to navigate in multi-application sessions.
D2 seems to have added industry requested features, but some are still not prime-time. For instance, I cannot bear to use the 'site-manager' or whatever they call it.
I'm a big believer in software as a task specific tool, and with editors, I get pretty granular on what I use for what. I'd consider using Dreamweaver for some tasks, but others i'll leave to notepad.
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Jeffrey Ellison posted this at 19:39 — 30th January 1999.
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Dreamweaver is great, for most stuff. I've tried most of the editors out there and I've got agree with the itguy. Ask yourself, would Picaso paint by the numbers. I leave my most difficult tasks to a text editor, my favorite is Programmers File Editor 32. Its freeware, runs on most platforms, and is available from http://www.eons.com/software
None of the wysiwyg editors can format code worth a damn. If need to edit a clients site on the road, I want to be able to walk up any PC and know I've got the tools I need to develop top flight we pages -- a simple text editor, ftp client and an internet connection.
Long live notepad!
itguy posted this at 04:32 — 31st January 1999.
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Been using Fireworks to do some quick and dirty layered images for rollovers, etc. Noticed that the .png filetype behaves strangely when you try and view it in a page, and it can often crash 98 when you try and open it directly. I thought I heard the .png was supported, so it's kind of strange. Anyone got any insight, exper. similar problems?
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JP Stones posted this at 17:21 — 31st January 1999.
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Hi Edward,
I have recently invested in Fireworks myself, along with the fantastic Dreaweaver.
I have to admit that I thought .png [ping] was supported by most/all new browsers. The fact that it crashed your OS is worrying as well as annoying.
I am curious as to why you would want to use .png images as they (as well as causing all these problems) are not supported by older browsers.
Cheers,
JP
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JP Stones posted this at 17:23 — 31st January 1999.
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It's me again, just checked out your site and was very impressed with the graphics, did you do them yourself?
JP
Jeffrey Ellison posted this at 17:38 — 31st January 1999.
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The scoop on PNG support:
From http://www.cdrom.com/pub/png/
Internet Explorer (Windows 3.x, Windows 9x/NT, Solaris/X, HP-UX/X) - version 4.0b1 and later; read-only; partial/broken alpha support in 4.0b2 and later (simple transparency only, with bad threshold for full transparency); reportedly completely broken alpha support in 5.0 beta (static gray background used instead of transparency); full(?) gamma support in 4.0b2 and later; progressive display of interlaced images in 4.0 and later (replicating method). Note that Microsoft claims MSIE 4.0 ``does not include the functionality to view .png files,'' which presumably refers to Internet Explorer's inability to display a stand-alone PNG (i.e., one that is simply referenced via a link--it can view one that is inlined on an HTML page via an IMG tag just fine.) Note also that the Macintosh version (including 4.5) has no PNG support at all.
Netscape Navigator (Unix/X, Windows 9x/NT, Macintosh, OS/2) - version 4.04 and later; progressive display (replicating method); no alpha support; no simple transparency support in public releases (but binary transparency in Mozilla developer/source release); no gamma support; treats black as transparent in opaque palette images with background chunk (test); limits image size to dimensions of around 6000 pixels or so; attempts to display invalid PNGs; uses libpng and zlib. (Version 2.0 and later also support PNG via the plug-ins listed below, but note that Netscape plug-ins currently do not support true inlined images--they only support images inlined with Netscape's non-standard EMBED tag, which is not usable by most other browsers, or with HTML 4.0's OBJECT tag, as long as HEIGHT and WIDTH attributes are included in the tag. In any case, Netscape's OBJECT support is broken, too.)
See: WWW and Online Browsers with PNG Support at http://www.cdrom.com/pub/png/pngapbr.html
PNG Support in VRML Browsers
PNG texture-map support is required for minimal conformance with the Virtual Reality Modeling Language (VRML) 2.0 specification, so one might naively assume that most ``VRML 2.0'' browsers on the market would actually attempt to render PNGs. Not so! Generally speaking, the VRML 2.0 market is still quite immature, with no single browser implementing every part of the specification. Unfortunately (from the PNG perspective), most browser-writers appear to have placed PNG support rather low on the priority list.
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itguy posted this at 17:47 — 31st January 1999.
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Thanks for the replies.
It's not so much that i intended to use the .png format for use in pages, but i tend to want to preview on the fly, so i like to just drop my working images into the browser for a quick peer.
I'd love to lay claim on those graphics, but I modified those from a collection of larger images. I appreciate the feedback on them. The site will open shortly, i just have to get the initial pages finalized.
One thing is certain, from the Macromedia development team comes the solid assurance that full compatability for .png is supported, but i think perhaps more research is in order.
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itguy posted this at 17:53 — 31st January 1999.
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..also..
When using Fireworks, it is not too difficult to perform quick exports. I know I could easily just do that and shut up. But once I get the Alt-F-S ALT-Tab F5 Alt-Tab routine going, i like to keep it that way.
Does this mean I'm spoiled?
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JP Stones posted this at 00:52 — 1st February 1999.
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Guys,
I have to admit that though I now use DW a lot, I still often go back to SiteAid [freeware text/HTML editor - top program!]
I seem to feel more confident using SiteAid, though DW is now growing on me, even if I only use (at the moment) the most basic features.
Note: Jeffrey, Monet painted by nembers, before he died because he had become so blinder by cateracts he needed someone to number his paints. Relevant Point, I doubt it but you mentioned Picasso and Numbers, and it just popped into my mind.
JP
Jeffrey Ellison posted this at 00:59 — 1st February 1999.
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JP, I did not know that about Monet...Interesting.
Guys,
I want to continue this line on editors and page design tools. I created a new subject for it so these discussions did not get burried under the topic of PNG files...
See you in 'Page Design and Editors'
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