Why are people responding less to link exchange emails? If that has become an old method, what are the new ways of getting good link exchange?
Why are people responding less to link exchange emails? If that has become an old method, what are the new ways of getting good link exchange?
Megan posted this at 14:05—30th October 2006.
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It's generally understood that reciprocal links are being devalued by the search engines. It seems that pretty much everyone who knows about SEO has rejected reciprocal links in favor of (preferably natural) one-way links. So if people are keeping up on the newest SEO information they're not going to respond to reciprocal links unless there's a really strong benefit for their site.
If you're going to do reciprocals you'd have to be smart about where they are placed. This article suggests that site-wide links may even be penalized so definitely don't do it that way.
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anandnadaar posted this at 12:54—3rd November 2006.
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Hi Megan
I agree with you on your reciprocal links part, but as per the sitewide links are concerned.. its a big question mark, as no one can cofirm it because then major sites have that running. And many sites do have Adsense in there, so Google needs to be very greedy to penalise sitewide links. What say ?
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Megan posted this at 20:54—3rd November 2006.
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I'm not sure about that one either. I think there are some legitimate reasons to have site-wide links (although most of the time it is for advertising or recipricoals). Really, a lot of SEO expertise is speculation but this is coming from someone who knows what he's talking about (AFAIK). Adsense wouldn't be site-wide, though, because the links would change from page to page.
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knorr posted this at 15:18—16th November 2006.
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Link Exchange ("Reciprocal Link Exchange") is the practice of exchanging links with other websites. There are many different ways to arrange a link exchange with webmasters. The simplest way of doing it is to email another website owner and ask to do a link exchange. Also visiting webmaster discussion boards which offer a dedicated link exchange forum where webmasters can request a link exchange be it of a certain category or open to anybody.
Link exchange between non related sites might affect the ranking of websites in the Search Engine Result Pages (SERPs). Link Exchange between websites in the same industry can help them and if the website owner does not want to link to direct competitors it is adviseable to exchange links with sites that complement the content of their website.
Janet posted this at 01:49—18th November 2006.
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I still feel that reciprocal links benefit your site in terms of traffic and rankings. I only send a small amount of requests out and generally half will accept. I send very personal emails to quality sites in my field after I have looked over their site, checked PR, made sure the links page is indexed in google and the site is obviously not banned. I think reciprocal links got a bad name because webmasters took advantage of it and created huge directories of unrelated sites. However, if you create a useful directory of quality sites in your field you will benefit. This last update, my links page increased from PR2 to PR4 so I would say google is okay with it.
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Megan posted this at 15:29—18th November 2006.
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But because it's a high PR that doesn't mean that it's actually improving your rankings. PR is just a number
However, I agree with what you said in the other thread. Do exhanges for real traffic, not SE's. And personal emails are so important. Most people just send out boring form letters. It might help to butter up the webmaster and tell them why you like their site.
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jbladeus posted this at 07:47—25th November 2006.
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Link exchange still works, though has a somewhat limited advantage than before. Its most beneficial in doing it with sites relevant to your industry.
And if sitewides and crosslinking were bad for seo, organizations like jupitermedia wouldve been penalized like hell as their sites are interlinked and have footer links of each of their sites.
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construction posted this at 06:40—27th November 2006.
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Hi,
Link exchanges are great for targeted traffic and ensuring SE's find your site pages. G suggest doing them with relevant sites.
However, if you are exchanging links in hope of increasing your PR and thus SERP position, you may well be dissapointed. In fact, you may end up being part of a linking scheme designed soley to game the SEs. These type schemes always end up doing more harm that good in the long term. That being said, Google is very unlikely to banish you IF you end up linking to 1 or 2 "bad neighborhoods" by accident.
Set aside a page, or 2, to link to other sites and link to them ONLY IF they are of use to your site visitors. Don't even look at PR, but do ensure the site is not involved in some linking scheme. If unsure, use nofollow
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Megan posted this at 14:25—27th November 2006.
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The bit about being penalized for site-wides is very new. That's the first I've heard about it. As I said above, most SE information is simply speculation by people who know what they're talking about. He did note that it depends on how many unique outgoing links you have - there should be a lot more unique outbounds than reciprocals (which is why I'm not worried about the three site-wides we have on this site)
The point here is that link exchanges are usually an attempt to game search engines and they know that. So they're going to do what they can to weed out the fake links and look for the good ones. They want sites that are helpful for humans. If your links are legitimately helpful for humans and not just there for SE value then you should be in good shape (as long as you don't think any and all links are good for humans!)
Construction - where did you find that bit directly from google recommending reciprocal links? Their webmaster guidelines say to "Have other relevant sites link to yours." which is not the same as trading links. I think there is more information available from them somewhere (and I wouldn't be surprised if that link exchange recommendation was there before....)
I would also be careful about doing links pages that are only for reciprocals. I'm *guessing* that they could identify that those are reciprocal pages and devalue them. I think it's possible for them to stop your site from passing on link value if they think you're trying to game them too much. A good links page could have a mix of reciprocals and one-ways to make it truly useful to humans.
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Megan posted this at 19:13—27th November 2006.
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This is direct from the google webmaster guidlines (emphasis added):
I haven't been able to find anything in there about reciprocals (or site-wides) specifically. Those are obviously unnatural links though. So it all goes back to doing links for humans not for search engines.
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Ruth posted this at 10:49—28th November 2006.
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Nobody has mentioned a three-way link exchange. Is it better? Or has Google managed to discern that as well and has some penalties in store for us?
anandnadaar posted this at 15:40—28th November 2006.
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How in this world will Google come to know about we having three way link exchange..
If I talk about a particular website.. then it is just incoming and outgoing links and that for me much better then reciprocal in current world of LP.
I dont see any harm in having a three way link exchange then the problem in maintaining it. Because it requires some amount of maintainence to keep the links coming to you..
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Ian Taylor posted this at 15:57—29th November 2006.
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Thanks everybody, for your opinions and suggestions . Now the concept of link exchange is lot clearer than before.
Megan posted this at 14:29—28th November 2006.
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I've heard of people dong that too. It could work (for now).
My opinion is that anything done solely for the benefit of search engines is risky. They are actively looking for these tactics and will devalue them as soon as they can. So it's like running on a treadmill, continually working but not getting anywhere. Better to get off the treadmill and give them what they want: good content for people
I'm noticing the big ("white hat") SEO's focussing a lot more on quality content and natural link building rather than tricks like this.
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anandnadaar posted this at 18:16—30th November 2006.
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Good our discussion helped you IAN TAYLOR
pisstaker posted this at 03:19—1st December 2006.
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In this thread it was recommended we go about getting grouped, getting relevant links, getting people to other off-site pages.
All this seems to be covered by the bloglog with their communities, their profiles and the social network element. I am guessing any social networking site that meets those 3 criteria, and that you can contribute to regularly, is a good way to get your name about legitimately?
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Megan posted this at 14:10—1st December 2006.
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If I understand what you mean then it wouldn't be much different from forums. You can post links in your sig (not that they mean whole lot to SE's) but meet other people who might link to you. Bloglog and Technorati might be even better because you can network with other bloggers. You can also try to seed your content in social bookmarking sites (although I have issues with that - it's basically spamming most of the time).
Marketers are now seeing the potential in social networking and social bookmarking sites. The effects of this will be interesting to see. The line between commercial and non-commercial content and links on the web may become increasingly blurred. I think social networking/bookmarking sites should be really careful about their spam filters. If these sites become overwhelmed with marketing then people won't want to hang out there anymore. They might have to change the way they operate to make it more difficult for marketers. But then marketers will continue to find work arounds to the system. There are also bloggers being paid to shill for certain products or companies. People will have to learn to be more critical of content to discern what is advertising and what is for real.
(but that's getting away from the orginal topic!)
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Ian Taylor posted this at 12:47—8th December 2006.
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Thanks everybody for your valuable inputs. Certainly the concept is quite clear now for me and several others.
Megan posted this at 14:33—8th December 2006.
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Here's a good post on the topic:
http://www.seobook.com/archives/001941.shtml#more
That sums up my opinion on the matter too. Creating real relationships with other site is good. Swapping a link just for the search engine is pretty useless. Unfortunately, there seem to be very few people out there looking for actual relationships.
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jjack posted this at 20:31—11th February 2007.
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I agree too. Search engines are refining their systems to more accurately determine which sites are best. As they get better at it, it seems like the most effective SEO would be to simply have a great site that real people want to visit. Then you will get real, natural links. Aside from looking good on the engine, you also get other forms of promotion...the link itself, word of mouth, etc. which I would imagine is actually higher-quality traffic than Google might send you.
But I'm not an expert on this, so your mileage may vary!
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franke1 posted this at 14:46—8th December 2006.
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Are these link exchanges really helpful for a good listing on search engines. We will have same no of outgoing links as we have the incoming ones. I have heard that outgoing links are a negative in positioning our website.
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Megan posted this at 15:26—8th December 2006.
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Read the post I linked to above (and what others have posted here), it explains it well.
Outgoing links will only hurt you if you get connected to so-called "Bad neighbourhoods". Bad neighbourhoods are networks of sites associated with spamming. The will help you if you can connect yourself to good quality, topical neighbourhoods.
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Megan posted this at 17:52—8th December 2006.
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Here are few other tidbits on linking. This is from a post about What google might be gathering in its secret employees-only tool. The author speculates that gogle might be tracking the percentage of your links that come from suspected manipulative sources (paid links, linkfarms, comment spam, ad networks, etc. ... IMO reciprocals could be considered manipulative) and even links that come from blogs, wikis, forums, guestbooks or other potentially self-created sources.
(lots of other good info in there. You could read that as an expert's list of what matters to Google).
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Link Diva posted this at 21:32—15th December 2006.
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Everyone has been focusing on relevancy, yes it does matter; however, that doesn't mean you can't have any links off topic linking to you - MAKE the irrelevant link look more natural by embedding it in text. Yes Google knows if you are linking to bad neighborhoods, AND if they reach a storage website link in your recipe site, but if your storage link is for tupperware on your recipe site IT's THEN MADE RELEVANT!
All you have to do is be creative, and don't live under the fear of Google or any other SE banning your site. Just become aware of from whom you get your links, 3-way reciprocals are better than ordinary exchanges - if you site is still relatively new, I recommend exchanges and directory submissions to begin getting spidered and your pages indexed, more than likely you will need to purchase links to get to page 3 or below in Google. Depending on how competitive your keywords are and how many backlinks the #1 spot-holder has, is the answers you will need to know to get on the FIRST PAGE.
It is very possible for everyone to achieve this prestigious position in the SERPs.....you have to have the onsite measures handled - this is what MSN gives most attention, Yahoo likes trusted, established sites, Google likes very trusted sites and gives more weight to .edu and .gov links (as they are the most trusted - also very hard to come by if you are looking for them).
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roy77 posted this at 04:16—8th January 2007.
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In my point of view, the best way to make link exchange is in forums and to make a little relationship with other webmasters - so you can make the link exchange process easier
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charlesgan posted this at 10:43—14th January 2007.
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i would ignore link exchange request frm email as well.
i have to spend too many effort manually to make sure both side links are up running. i tried this method, get zero incoming links as well. i dont think its going to work for now.
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ABC123 posted this at 03:21—29th January 2007.
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If you want link exchanges go to webmaster related websites and go into the forum. They usually have a marketing section with a link exchange sub forum and a lot of people request exchanges in there.
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void posted this at 11:56—30th January 2007.
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Any link exchanged is good and profitable for the site but relevant links to a site are the best deal as the users of same area of interest are visiting the site and they can be your possible customers in the future if your site is offering any products or services.
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selvam_cbe posted this at 12:11—30th January 2007.
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My website mentioned in the signature is 3 Month old.
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Now i got PR3...Still i like to improve my page rank.Any body ready to link exchange with me??? Please mail us through our contact us form in my website.
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