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Has anyone tried one of those link building services and had any success with it???
I am ready to hire someone to create links to my site to boost my page rank on search engines but I am wondering if this really works.

How do they do it btw??? And would it have an impact?

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Link building is crucial to ranking success (Although you mention Page rank, and page rank doesn't mean that much). I will be happy to give you the contact details of one of the people I use for directory submissions. They are very good and the price is excellent as well. 250 directory submissions to search engine friendly directories, and we are talking less than $75.

Directory submisions are great as they provide non reciprocal backlinks to your site.

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Yes linking is important but I personally wouldn't go for a company that does it on an automated basis or by joining a link farm. If you only have one site then you could do it yourself, basically it is just a case of finding sites, on a similar theme where possible, sending them an email asking if they will trade links and going on from there!

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The chap I recommend does it 100% manually. It is the only way to do it, I agree. Link farms are an absolute no no as is linking to a banned or penalised domain (google refer to these as bad neighbourhoods).

I should also state that I do not have any financial interest in recommending this company, only that I have used them and they do a superb job. You will get an excel spreadsheet with all the details of the directories submitted to.

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Yes, 100% manual directory submissions is the way to go. It is best to outsorce this service to a reputable firm that gets the job done. Every moment you spend doing that grunt work is losing you money. Outsourcing is key.

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I would recommend manual submission too because every directory is unique. Each directory has a different structure, different category layout and each one has its own set of submission guidelines.

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I edit on a couple of decent directories and the two main reasons for rejection are
1. submitted to the wrong category
2. bad title

I would say that these make up 95% of the rejections to directories, and automatic submissions will always submit to the wrong category. On my own directory I reject out of hand, about 20 submissions a day that have been submitted to the main page OBVIOUSLY not having read the submission guidelines. If THEY can't be bothered to read my submission guidelines, I can't be bothered to review their website.

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SEO firms creating links manually for you is good, but stay well clear of those link farms.

DO SEO companies swap links between all their clients websites as one of thier tricks?

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link building services charge an arm and a leg. Directory submit services are the cheapest way to go other than by doing it yourself.

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The problem with directories now is that so many of them want payment for a listing or have very stringent terms & conditions for links back, etc.

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You'd think Google would be able to tell if something was on a directory and not count that towards PR. I've heard that they do that for forum sigs and bought links, although I don't know if that's actually true or not...

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hi,

link building is essential for search engine optimization. as we know easy things go easily. don't go for any seo firm using automated software for link building. it is wiseable to go for mannual directory sumbission. always try to do every thing mannualy rather than using any automated software.

manual submission may take a long time but it provides a long term goal for long time period.

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There are some software packages that will semi automate your submission. What they will do is store your title, description, url, keywords etc, and take you to the next directory in your list, or you can add it manually. When you arrive at your directory, rather than typing the info in, you navigate to your required category, and at the click of a button it will complete the fields for you. All you need to do then is click submit.

This is far quicker than the way I always used to do, which was a spreadsheet, and note pad, copy and paste. It is 100% ethical and manual, with the copy and paste stuff automated.

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hi,

what you suggest is fine to use semiautomated software. but when you submit your site in directories google often see the time gap. if your submission is faster than the normal submission then google suspect it as the submission by using the third party component(software), which may cause a penalty for you.

if you are using the semiautomated software then it is mangeable, but it is much better to submit manually.

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rudradatta wrote: hi,

what you suggest is fine to use semiautomated software. but when you submit your site in directories google often see the time gap. if your submission is faster than the normal submission then google suspect it as the submission by using the third party component(software), which may cause a penalty for you.
if you are using the semiautomated software then it is mangeable, but it is much better to submit manually.

Sorry I have to disagree with you here. Google will NEVER give you a penalty for link building that is out of your control, (other than Google bowling which is whole different ball game, and we are talking about 100,s of thousands of backlinks all acquired instantly across site wides etc). Also Google does not know when you submitted the site, as it does not spider every page you submit to daily. It will pick up the submissions over a period of time, and will not know when they were submitted.

There is absolutely no difference in using auto form complete to using copy and past, as that is exactly what your doing.

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hi,

dear friend there is no hand of yours for inbound links but in case of directory submission it comes under your preview. i agree with you we have no hand over inbound links. when you get 1000 of directories link within a short perid that may cause link spam. aggressive search engine optimization may put you in trouble.

one thing i can say i never be agreed with you to use any third party component, as i always look for long term goals . i think patience is the key in search engine optimization.

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ok.

i jus trying out...
havent seen any successful link yet. Sad

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Look at what happened to seoelite.com... Went from number 3 on Google for "seo software" to being deindexed. They used their own software to get there, got too many backlinks too fast & BAM gone....

Nobody "really" knows what Google is up to so it is wise to look at the rules of engagement that they hold so dear.

Google "should" not penalize you for linking that is out of your control but they can certainly sense spikes in backlinking and then have the G police swoop into your site to take a peek to determine if they "feel" like you are trying to fool your way to the top.

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Netwhip, I don't think you and I are far apart in our thinking here. SEOelite Broke the conditions of use of google as I am sure you (as an obvious white hat SEO) know. A manuall penalty was applied to it.

Google tell you clearly not to get involved in linking skchemes designed to artificially increase your page rank. Adding your site to directories is not artificially increasing the PR is it? The golden rule I use though is fewer submissions to better quality directories.

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OldWelshGuy wrote: Netwhip, I don't think you and I are far apart in our thinking here. SEOelite Broke the conditions of use of google as I am sure you (as an obvious white hat SEO) know. A manuall penalty was applied to it.

Google tell you clearly not to get involved in linking skchemes designed to artificially increase your page rank. Adding your site to directories is not artificially increasing the PR is it? The golden rule I use though is fewer submissions to better quality directories.

No, directory submissions are not a linking scheme at all, I use them all the time to get a new site going. Directories are very effective for fast natural indexing.

What tips G off is new sites getting spikes of activity to start... then slowing down... then more spikes, etc.

I agree with you that "quality" links should be sought instead of going for anybody that will link to you. I try to maintain 100% relevance when seeking linking relationships. If the site is not related, I don't want a link from them. If a site is not related, I will not link to them.

Fewer is better when it comes to relevance... I agree 100%

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hi,
one thing is true that no one can say what is next in google . but if we optimize the site it should be done, followed by the google guide lines. because this is the safest one.

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rudradatta wrote: hi,
one thing is true that no one can say what is next in google . but if we optimize the site it should be done, followed by the google guide lines. because this is the safest one.

I think most people know what is next in Google, Trust Rank is their next big anti spam tool, as well as Orion which they have just bought. Trust rank should crucify pure link mongers who have bombed themseloves to the top, while sites that have attracted quality inbound links will benefit.

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Now we are talking the same languange Laughing out loud

I firmly believe the sandbox to be the result of what I call 'new site syndrome'. splassh from nowhere in a blaze of glory with loads of links incoming, and hardly any new content being added. A classic case of new site mania. Quality sites pick up quality backlinks from on topic pages. Simple as that really.

One thing that maybe I should have made more clear (and it is really semantics) Many people ay 'penalty' when in effect it is just a negation of value (which isn't the same). I wholly agree that Google has got much better at removing link benefit from obvious bought links. Matt Cutts mentioned this at one of the SES conferences, he clearly said that they can now identify pretty much most obvious paid for links, and negate their value.

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hi,

quality inbound links and quality content both are very vital and should be done properly and manualy to get listed in search engines without taking any risks for a long period.

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choose some tools to help you.
eg. SEO Elite.

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charlesgan wrote: choose some tools to help you.
eg. SEO Elite.

This is just the sort of advice that can get you into trouble Sad be VERY careful of what software you use.

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Link building is very essential if you want to increase traffic. If you can't do the job all by yourself, then it is time to consider outsourcing or webmaster staffing.

You reduce costs by nearly eliminating personnel training, human resource turnover expenses and gain more qualified personnel for your dollar. At the same time you are assured that your marketing campaigns are overseen by people who are very qualified.

Another good news is that you don't have to pay $2000+ in a month. Outsourcing will only cost you as much as $600.

Work quality is not a problem since webmasters, especially those from the Philippines are highly qualified.

Hope this can help.

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