Doorway Pages

Cloughie,

It's good to just submit your index page (and link your other doorway pages to that page) and let the engines crawl your site. However, if you just submitted recently, I wouldn't resubmit again (wait a few weeks). If you're in a hurry, it's probably best to start fresh with a new domain. Even try a freebie web page provider, I still have a few Freeyellow domains getting hits in the engines.

And to answer your second question, DMOZ and Yahoo will be able to tell it's a doorway page and will not accept them (especially Yahoo)

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First of all, I believe that many engines do allow submission of multiple pages, as I have submitted two to AltaVista and both got listed. (It didn't seem to crawl and find the others...?)

Second of all, were you doing this reading on the net? I'd like to read about doorways and would like a good URL or two on the subject!

Yeah I was reading on the net.

It was the link above on affilateblunders post.

look at the 3 links at the top of the page..

Good reading

KLWONG,

I've seen mixed results. Once and a while you will get lucky if you submit separate pages, but most engine gurus will tell you to just submit your index page and wait for the engines to spider (crawl) the rest of your site. Sometimes it can take weeks.

The trickiest part is, the engines are CONSTANTLY changing how they rank/spider pages. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time keeping up and I've found that lately, a lot of my success seems to be more luck than effort. LOL

It's just not as easy as it once was (especially with Excite and Infoseek) I've always seemed to get the best results with AltaVista.

Here are some good search engine resources
http://www.searchenginewatch.com
http://www.selfpromotion.com

So l;et me get this right.

You said just submit your home page and the engines will find the doorway also. How is this ? They will scan the whole site and therefore also the doorway pages ? Yes ?

However if I go for a long domain to try and get better result and use that as a doorway, then I need to submit the doorway also don't I. Its not going to be crawled as its a seperate domain.

Am I right ?

This is what I have done and it has worked pretty well in the past:

Purchase a domain with your important keywords and make a bunch of doorway pages. Link all those doorway pages to your index page and submit the index page only. Eventually MOST (not all) engines will spider all the pages and rank them separately. It may take some time.

Special Notes:

1) Make sure your pages are of decent length and have REAL content. (I try to shoot for at least 6-7 paragraphs of text at least)

2) Don't overly repeat your common keywords, otherwise you'll rank lower.

3) Your body content is much more important than your meta tags. Meta tags are important, but your keyword relevancy in your body is much more important. (Lots of trial and error involved here as the formula is different for each engine)

4) I've also read that it helps to put keywords in your links to other pages as well.

5) This technique is old and it is not as easy as it once was, but with a lot of trial and error, you can get some results.

6) Make sure each doorway page that you have linked to your homepage has considerably different content. Don't just copy the same doorway page and give it a different page name.

Give it a try and see what happens... Again, there is a LOT of trial and error involved here and you'll probably have to do it a few times before you start to see the hits.

And you don't HAVE to have your own domain, but it helps a lot.

One more quick comment.

You said just buy a domain with relevant keywords and then make a bunch of doorways. Then link them to the index page. (of the specially bought domain)

Then just submit the index page of the actual site and also the index page of the specially bought domain top the engines.

The search engines should then be able to spider your several doorway pages by the one doorway index domain.

This is right yeah ?

The index of the actual site and the domain are the same thing. Here's an example.

Let's say I want to rank high for the keyword phrase, "online fishing"

I buy the domain name name, myonlinefishingtips.com

I make a 10 doorway pages on fishing tips and link all 10 of them to http://www.myonlinefishingtips.com/index.html The index page will list all 10 doorway pages right on the homepage.

Then I submit the index page,
http://www.myonlinefishingtips.com to the search engines and let the engines spider each page individually...all 10 of them.

Hopefully, over time, each doorway page will get a decent rank in the various engines.

Does that help?

definetely helps, that was what I was thinking.

One more thing (bet you're getting sick and tired of me LOL ! !)

Is the principle of having links to all the doorway pages on http://www.myonlinefishingtips.com/index.html so that the engines can spider all of the doorways.

Won't engines scan all of the doorway pages anyway, even if you don't have links to them all. Do the engines do this or must you have links to them ?

Or is this a bit maybe mayve not as no-one really knows what they do.. Best to be on the safe side huh ?

Cheers Mate

Cloughie

No, I'm not sick of you.

Yes, that is correct. If you did not link all your pages to the index page, you'd have to submit each page separately. And as I said, most engines like you to submit your index page and and then it will crawl through the rest of your site.

would you mind shooting us a mail.....

I would like you to check over something for me..

Thanks you very much...

Cloughie..

I think overall nowadays doorway pages aren't the way to go. Because what happens if the search engine feels that you're spamming, which most will? You'll whole site will get banned from their directory; simple as that. I think you need to check in more on these doorway pages.

A good place to start would be reading up on some posts at http://www.searchengineforums.com

Justin,

You are correct. It is getting quite sticky but when I create doorway pages, I make them meaningful pages with a decent amount of content and I use different domains; as opposed to a bunch of keyword stuffed pages that say very little.

I am still getting quite a few hits in several engines with several of my domains. While it is getting more difficult to dominate the engines (and I don't think it will ever be as easy as it once was), I do believe that it is still possible. I don't know for how long, but I'm enjoying the hits while they last.

<(It didn't seem to crawl and find the others...?) >
altavista is taking a ridiculous amount of time to deep crawl.

On a different note some engines truncate any url you submit down to the ....com/ part so doorways will not be accepted. If you want your doorway to be found on a deep crawl you have to link to it from within your site.
cheers
JP

What link the doorway page from your site ? Although I can see your point, you don't really want to put a link to this do you ? The point of them is to direct people to your site not away from it...

Surely if you use a good keyword domain (seperate from your proper site) and then submit that to the engines then this will get crawled just fine. You won't bve penalised for this as it is a seperate URL. O>K I would'nt risk it with Yahoo etc.. but its gotta be o.k for the crawlers..

Then once people get to this they can find your site from it.

Doorways should each have significant content and should each be interlinked and linked to other pages on the site. It is great to have other sites linking to them to. The ideal for search engines is a site with lots of content targeting one phrase with different sites also targeting that phrase linking to it.

We group clients together into general areas of interest then interlink the sites to create good link relevance which benefits them all. Doorways are part of that.

Submit each page but do it slowly over a number of days or weeks, you'll wait forever to get spiders to crawl a site.

Why not make lot of free website and stuff it with doorway pages to main paid site?

SK

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