Google SEO = Waste of Time

but to do vural marketing correctly you need to get your free product into the search engines so people can find it. I think you should SEO for google, yahoo and msn rather than just one.

seo is no waste of time.
search engines can generate free targetted traffic
and i think that is more lasting and rewarding than all other ways of getting traffic

Google SEO is definitely not a waste of time. However, you don't want to use only one method (SEO) to the exclusion of all else. Utilize a variety of techniques to get visitors to your site. And you have to constantly put work into it, or it won't work for you.

Google SEO is not Waste of Time if correctly done. depends upon your skill and efforts. may take time but always you get result. unless who will provide you highly targeted traffic for free?

LOL Google a waste of time!? 80% of my qualified leads/sales come from Google

I just came across this thread when checking something else. I think that in a way it's true that optimizing for Google (or any search engine) is a waste of time. Not completely, but to some extent yes. Search engines are looking for good content for humans. They are continually revising their algorithms to weed out the spammers and make their rankings work better for people. That's what's going to keep them going - they have to have the best results so that people will want to use their service and not another one.

So, using SEO techniques to try to beat the SE and get your site up higher is a bit futile because they are always changing those techniques. Not too long ago everyone was going around doing link exchanges and getting linkbacks in any way they can. Google caught on, and downgraded reciprocal links.

Who do you optimize for then? People The search engines want content that's good for people - what you have to do is give them what they want. The first thing to do is to build a site that people will be interested in. Do a few things to make sure that search engines can find it (proper structure, good title, keywords in the right places). But don't go out of your way to trick the SE's because they'll catch on sooner or later.

The original poster, though, implied that you don't need SE's at all, which definitely isn't true, and recommended some IMO shady ways of getting traffic. Don't try to trick people either, they'll catch on sooner or later as well Although, in retrospect, he probably posted that to get people to look at the bulk email link in his sig. I'll just take that out now

true there are alot of shady SEO's out there but it is your responsibility to do the research of the company before you pay them. And if your nieve enough to believe there claims of a "guaranteed" top ranking you deserve to loose your money as no respectable SEO knows there is now such thing

Bep wrote: I am well aware of the frustration that webmasters experiencing when trying to generate traffic. I mean you can build a pretty site sure, but you really need to generate A LOT of traffic if you want to make the big bucks. Even more important is that you have QUALIFIED TRAFFIC ie traffic from people who have previously demonstrated an interest in your product.

There is a whole industry of "professionals" who will claim to get you top ranking in google, and also claim that this will make you wealthy. Honestly, they may be the only ones profiting from such promises.

I will share with you two other ways which work

1) Viral Marketing - (please note this has nothing to do with viruses). It refers to having a product which can be copied and swapped through the internet. If it promotes your site, your marketing campaigns grows and replicates like a "virus". It may be worth investing in an ebook or software application which promotes your product.

2) Legal Bulk Emailing - But NEVER SPAM. Spam is STUPID because it annoys the receiver and annoyed people dont make for good customers. Spam is also illegal, so spammers are not viable in the long term. But what about people who have indicated an interest in receiving messages about your product area. What if you could reach 30 million internet users like this? What if only a tiny percentage went on to buy something in that month, say 2%. Thats 60, 000 purchases for the month. Even if you only made $2.00 per sale. Thats $120 000 revenue for the month. Now thats the type of revenue that makes being a webmaster worthwile.

Thats my 2 cents, about what I think works. Which ever way you go, all the best
and hang in there

Bep

Google SEO'ing can be frustrating at times. I've banged my head many times thinking it's a waste of time but it is really a matter of giving many ideas a try. What works for one website may not work for others. Many times I've thought about throwing the PC out of the window and giving up, but then when you do something and it starts working, it makes up for it

You can adopt other method of online marketing side by side SEO, why not target other search engine at a time, Google is not just enough.

While I certainly don't know all the ins and outs and tricks of SEO, I approach it by just trying to use correct and appropriate HTML tags and attributes. If your content is interesting (most of the time my clients control that, not me) and your page is properly coded, it will be picked up well by any decent search engine. Not only that, but when people click on the link, they will stick around.

I don't see a real advantage in using "black hat" SEO, personally. (That's abusing the system by using shady tricks to get your site(s) to place higher in the results on search engines.) If your site doesn't have good content and information, people aren't going to stick around and/or buy from you anyway.

We get a SICK amount of traffic from Google. We didn't do anythingto target Google, but it's nice

In the long term, search engines will be the best bet to bring you traffic. Any viral marketing will only bring you a temporary spike in traffic.
Search engines or Google SEO is the best way to go. Smaller websites get most of their traffic from search engines.

Sorry dude, is a big dream to make 120k$ from e-mail marketing