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This is one of those personal frustration releasing topics. Forums are dead, so do not ask how to make them active. I have tried everything I can think of outside of hijacking people off the street tying them up, and making them post.

You get a member or two, then it takes so long to get another, the ones you have give up. Now you are back to OOO. All of the name dropping, signature links, begging, crying, and cussing people doesn't work. Oh you can get hits on your site-meter but who gives a rats A-- about hits. I would like participants. But unfortunately not in this World are you going to get any.

So don't mess with forums, it will make a nervous wreck of you, cause sleepless nights, and even drive you to drink. FORUMS ARE DEAD.

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I am kind of amazed that TWF is as active as it is, the only forums I have ever seen work really well are one that are sub areas of large sites where there are things on the site to discuss, or where the forum goes towards making that site more interesting. Starting a forum from scratch is hard because most people either already have a forum they frequent, or they get their information from a non-forum.

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TWF is one of the only one of its kind that is successful. There are plenty of others as dead as mine. Forums are sort of like the Immortal "there can be only one".

It really seems that way, in every topic I have seen there is one that does well. The rest ----------.

You need a thousand commited friends, be Arnold Swartzits, and he might even be a bust. Or pay people, and I really doubt that would work. Or just sign up with 1000 troll names, and talk to yourself ---- BORING!!!. Sad

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Have you try to offer something to the memebers, like free downloads, or some cool videos, audios, etc....things like that..

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Well signing up with 1000 troll names, and talking to yourself, or requesting your committed friends to join and post does sound boring but it helps to some extent. It atleast gets your forum started and from there on you have to capitalize on that start by starting some contests, reward stores and referral programs.

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I think the biggest problem is there are so many topics, so many forums, so many 'groups' of people.
I belong to about 5 forums (other than web related) but this is only one i visited every day, the others maybe once a month, reasons ranging from they are to big, dont like the way they are run, lack of time (biggest one), among other reasons.
A lot of people live on forums (personal, hobby, work related, weird stuff ...) so I guess it all comes down to how much time you have to read/post/reply .. to these forums.
If a forum comes across as trying to hard (like giving stuff away), it's a real turn off.

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For those interested in forums, check out The Admin Zone

Really, everyone has this problem. It's especially hard when you're just getting off the ground. I think the key is to have something unique and good quality. Especially in a competitive area like web design or photography. There are lots of other forums out there - what makes yours unique? Why should people join your site? What's in it for them? What can they learn by joining you? You should know this. Write it down and look at your site and think about how you can communicate that to visitors.

I just found this site on a quick google search. Big, popular forum. Why should anyone join your forum and not that one?

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I think a easy way to get ppl on your forum is to start with a few categories, Like Busy was saying a lot of ppl are getting bored when they see a lot of categories and no post. Just start with 3-4 and then try to make a bit of advertising and invite your friends and in this way you forum can grow, of course is a lot of work but it is worth it. I want to start my forum soon but at the moment is not the time. Any way I will invite you guys when my forum is online Smiling

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I'll go along with you on that one Megan. But it all goes back on part of what I said. Forums that started "back when" have the advantage, time alone has made them popular. Also its pretty apparent that forum, and its web-site has a rather large staff to keep up with all the editorial content. A luxury all of us don't have. Sad

As for competition, probably no type of forum you could imagine wouldn't have large competition.

I once in a moment of frustration thought about starting a B--ching forum. I did a web search would you believe, I found at least two dozen forums like that. Several with the exact sentiment for their title. Laughing out loud

Like I said for the little fish in the pond, forums might as well be dead. Probably the only chance one would have, is to go to MSN communities and start one. But I have been there, done that, graduated from it long ago.

There is a thread right now on the forum where some poor slob is asking how to increase his forums success. I wont answer it, I don't want to be responsible for suicides committed in fits of depression. Smiling

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steve40 wrote: As for competition, probably no type of forum you could imagine wouldn't have large competition.

Actually, I come across quite a lot of them. Yesterday at TAZ (linked above) I reviewed a forum about designer jeans. It was doing very well. No competition there. I used to be a member of a forum about fitness videos. Again, very successful and little competition. The secret is to go for a niche audience Smiling

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I tried it, and found about 5 designer jeans forums, and a couple of blogs. Fitness forums - well there must be at least a thousand now. Smiling

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There are two about fitness videos specifically (plus a few others others dedicated to specific instructors that do quite well too). That's what I'm talking about. And neither of them are actually that well done. They do well because they get very specific about the topic and are "the" place to go for people who want to talk about it. And five is actually a pretty low number as far as competition goes. I wasn't able to find any others on a quick search but I'd assume that some of those aren't done very well. So if there's only a few other forums you've got a good opportunity to improve on the competition.

ETA: I can also think of some gymnastics forums I've been a part of in the past that were really badly done but did very well because they were the only forums of their kind. Although the secret there was to get the cool people to join one site, then all the others would flock to it.

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You hit the nail on the head. Getting the cool, or notably famous/well known people on a forum is the key. Or having sponsorship from a rather large well known entity.

My forum is slightly different from a lot of others, in that it is more of a photo sharing forum, and not solely technical. But evidently the difference is not enough, to make a difference. It has been up a year now, so its not like some that have an age of a month! people complain about. There is about a 1.5% activity level among the 17 members. Yep I said 17, in a year!.

I think it is about time to give up, and deep six the thing.

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steve40 wrote: You hit the nail on the head. Getting the cool, or notably famous/well known people on a forum is the key. Or having sponsorship from a rather large well known entity.

These weren't famous people I was talking about, they were just head of the cliques Smiling But also happened to know a lot so that's what you need. People who know a lot about the topic.

Honestly, I don't think you can blame this all on the concept of forums itself. You can't just put up something and expect people to show up and want to start posting. There are a lot of things that go into successful forum design and promotion. If you think you might want to pursue this, go over to The Admin Zone and read the articles there. Also post your forum for review in the Reviews area. They do really thorough reviews over there Smiling

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Thanks Megan.

I took a look at the above suggested site. There are some areas of their requirements, I am afraid my forum may not quite meet. It seems to be more for custom forums, mine is a remotely hosted one. Although the color modifications, and the banner have been done by me, I still don't think its quite appropriate, according to their requirements.

Seems to me? like I have submitted another forum there a long time back, and turned down because of these very things. I don't think I will waste the time, or expectation on it.

I have been pretty honest with my self-review, and pretty well know about the outcome.

1. Too many forums, but there is a reason for them to be there.

2. Lack of moderators except myself, but at present I don't need any. It would help to see someones name other than mine, on the responses. But if there were any member participation, that would be taken care of.

3. People seem to like to talk about their equipment (ie. Camera Models Comparisons), more than anything else. I have a forum or two for that, but it is not my desire to orientate the forum in that direction. So I have minimized those areas. Besides there are more than enough of those forums to go around.

4. Advertising, I have wore my fingers, and brain out on it.

5. Incentives, I have recently tried to start a photo of the month contest. I posted a short invite on many places, including here. I have a blog on Weather Underground, where it is also posted.
As a result my hits went through the roof, but that was all. I requested a confirmation post on the general forum, which is publicly open to all posts. I received one; that from a relatively new member.

So without an act of the Almighty, or some yet unforeseen trick. I say Forums are Dead, at least mine is. Smiling

And also many other small, and insignificant forums people strive to worry with. Its not worth it. Sad

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Steve, leave some pamphets at camera store (ask managers first) and other places one might buy film, memory cards, accessories etc, even photo magazines. If you have an unquie idea it may take off, just have to get the folks there.

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one thing which i have noticed is this, forums from other countries are more popular, for example, im turkish, and my cousin in turkey has a forum, he has 800 members and gets a couple more everyday, i think that it depends on where people are and there origin, for example a developing country would have many oportunities in the web business, unlike websites written in english.

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You might have a point there. I also post on some other forums, they are in the UK. They don't have any seeming problem with membership, or participation. It seems like here (US), people do not respond to others posts. There is no sense of community, but then you have to relate that to the average us citizens attitude "I got mine". And to crap with you!. Smiling

In all seriousness, I think it really is the social differences in countries.

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It comes down to what kind of forums you're trying to start. If you're starting up something that there are already 40 of, then chances are you're going to have a hard time finding those VERY important first 1/2 dozen to 12 loyal users. If you find a niche of people that have no other way to communicate with each other, forums can fly very nicely.

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It may also have a lot to do with the group, you are appealing to. For instance I have had more response to this thread in 6 days, than I have had in a year on my forum. Relatively speaking of course. Smiling