Is it worth the time and money to get Certified? I was thinking about ASP.NET Certification. Then maybe moveing on to windows server or something. Then maybe flash certification.
Is anyone on this fourm certified in anything? Does it matter when your getting hired for a specific job?
Busy posted this at 10:56 — 11th June 2005.
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I think it depends on the job, some employers want people that can actually do whats written on the cert instead of having someone with a cert saying they can do it.
In life, there seems to be three sorts of people, the ones that are almost natural to it, the ones that couldn't do anything to save themselves and lastly the ones who use the other two groups to advance claiming it their own.
Many moons ago, when I was a panelbeater (bodyman), I was a jorneyman (did the time but didnt do the papers), I ended up training all the new guys ... one day the big boss hired this guy who had his trade cert, and advanced trade cert plus some other certs (would of taken over 7 years) yet he couldn't weld, couldn't restore nor do smash work, he had spent all his time stripping and putting bits together without actually doing the work. To me his certs meant nothing and shortly after he was fired.
But in saying that the boss had lied about what he could do when he started, he worked his way up by using the skills of others to fake his way up the ranks, he did well as he ended up owning the multimillion dollar business (which his wife took most of after messy divorce).
My Brother is Microsoft and Oracle and something else certified, he has to resit his certs often, his job requires it and luckily his work pays for them as they are several thousand a pop, think his titke is network system engineer or something, was quite a buzz when I had to teach him HTML
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bja888 posted this at 17:34 — 12th June 2005.
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But what if I get the pirce of paper that says I can do it and I am able to deliver on that? I already know I have word of mouth on my site do I need word of paper to back it up?
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dataNdesigns posted this at 16:46 — 13th June 2005.
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This is a major issue in the IT industry as it is still very young, there are people in it today who where still working on dos systems yet that was only 15 years ago. Lots of the "OLD Fellas" are not fully certified yet they have been around sence the beginnings. If you go and work for a large corp they will want to see you certified, or at least experience to measure up to that cert level. This is manly to show some sort of commitment to the trade.
I have employed a great many people with certs, diplomas, and degrees, some of which didnt last a day. I still prefer the person with the natural talent, but big business speaks differently.
If you want to avoid getting certified, get experience and runs on the board.
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Megan posted this at 16:52 — 13th June 2005.
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I think it depends on who your prospective employers are. People who really know IT know that these certs really aren't worth that much. HOWEVER, people who don't know what they're doing may pay more attention. A lot of people like to see that piece of paper as some sort of validation, especially in a field where it's hard to know if you're getting a good person or not. I know that I got my current job because I had a piece of paper, in this case a college program (even though it was actually completely worthless).
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dataNdesigns posted this at 17:02 — 13th June 2005.
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Megan,
You hit the nail on the head, In large corps mostly human resources do the employing and marketing companies out source work, both tend not to be to IT focused, hence they go for the cert's. The small operator or development business mostly will focus on hands on talent.
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demonhale posted this at 23:48 — 13th June 2005.
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Generally speaking, most of my classmates at college while applying have bunches of paper, most of us our college reps... Some had add-on certs that they got from having technical courses other than what we really studied for in school... Most of them didnt get the job simply because they didn't have experience. Most proved their worth when most of our college profs endorsed them to having done this and that... Like mine, I used to design systems at school using old motorola CPU's and make them into something useful, I was rather adept with my hands, but most of all the programming part (which was machine code) was where I focused. Our Profs endorsed these creds, and I applied for jobs using this (which was hard at first) when after a month, all of them called back. These proves maybe that People Hire Because of Skills and Talent, then Experience, then Some College, last the loads of Certs...
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Megan posted this at 14:24 — 15th June 2005.
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Eh, not really. I mean, every employer has their own priorities when hiring. Skills & talent are great but you need to get seen first - which means you need to know someone (good networking skills & communication) or you have to have a good resume. A lot of employers might put experience ahead of skills for example. And all the skills and talent in the world are useless if you can't deliver on time. Interpersonal skills are also very, very important. You'll seldom see a job description without some mention of communcation skills. Oh, and some college? In a lot of places you wouldn't get past the front door without a degree (not as true with freelancing...). Depends on the organization's priorities. This is a competitive field, especially for design work, so job seekers need any competitive advantage they can get. And employers can demand the complete package.
Although I do agree that certs are probably last on the list, except maybe in freelancing where a potential client may be more impressed by that.
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demonhale posted this at 03:27 — 17th June 2005.
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Thats why I said "maybe", you need to have college to be competetive, why do you think I toiled a lot in college… But my point is, certs aint needed unless you feel its like another “medal” to add fragrance to your resume…
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5meodmt posted this at 18:16 — 1st July 2005.
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i dont think certification is that important if you are considering doing freelance work as you can quite easily show your level of skill by doing projects and posting them on your online portfolio .but if you are going to go and work for a company then i suspect that they would like you to have qualifications up to your armpits
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