Site plagarism

I don't see any resemblance at all. Are you sure you posted the right site???

I don't see the resemblance either... Layouts are very different, and so are the colors, etc.

They stole my goddamn link effect!
...Nothing I can do about it, because it's not mine... but.. umm.. THEY STILL STOLE IT!

Main Entry: pla·gia·rize
Pronunciation: 'plA-j&-"rIz also -jE-&-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -rized; -riz·ing
Etymology: plagiary
Date: 1716
transitive senses : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

Nothing that I have on DHTMLShock can be construed as plagiarism.

I was solicited to create a DHMLT resource. I looked at some of the top DHTML and Javascript sites (javascripts.com, javascriptsource.com, dynamicdrive.com) and built what I consider a unique site. Lloyd has contacted me several times personally, and I've explained to him that as a rule, most DHTML and JavaScript will be similar. We are after all, providing the same content. I have to put descriptions, author names, a means to copy and paste scripts.

Lloyd has also insinuated that I just copied all the scripts without permission. Every single script posted on dhtmlshock has been willingly donated by the author. If you'll notice, there are none there written by George from dynamicdrive (I don't imagine he would contribute his own scripts to a competitor).

Lloyd seems to think that because I have some nested tables, and the same product (I won't say content, because I wrote everything on there myself) that I should be branded a plagiarist. Should I get on dynamicdrive.com because they use a sidebar, and have some of the same colors as http://www.hotbot.com? I don't believe so. Probably half of the millions on web sites out there look exactly like mine.

I'm not going to add any more right now, simply because I'm upset, and I'll end up saying something stupid.

I appreciate those that have come to my defense, especially considering the fact that none of them know me.

One more thing Lloyd. It's one thing to damn me in front of my face, but to post negative and damaging remarks in a public forum is beyond reproach.

Sincerely,

Daniel Short

Whhhooooooaaaa kill'ah!
He was just making a simple inquery. He was -not- meaning to start a flame war.

the two sites dont look anything alike, as for the concept part, whats so special about your "concept" that other people haven't already used ? It appears to be a DHTML resource site (and Im sure not the only one online..)

Ravi

Quote: Originally posted by TheGraphicsExperience
Whhhooooooaaaa kill'ah!
He was just making a simple inquery. He was -not- meaning to start a flame war.

I understand graphx. This is just the capoff to several emails I've received from him personally. I also recently received an email from DynamicDrive, instigated by Lloyd's assumptions, I can only assume.

Wouldn't you be upset if the same happened to you?

I don't mean to start a flame war either, but I thought I would defend myself against the accusations. I don't harbor any (I should say many) ill feelings towards Lloyd, because I respect his abilities as a coder. From the other posts I've read by him he seems like a decent guy. I just don't appreciate his accusations.

Dan.

For those out there that don't believe the sites look alike, please visit these next two links:

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex11/abox.htm
http://www.dhtmlshock.com/mouse-trailers/MorphSpin/default.asp?ID=52

First thing to notice is the navigation links near the top of the page.

HOME : CATEGORY : SCRIPT NAME

Next take a look at how the headers used are basically the same (credits, author, webpage, demonstration, installation and more). Notice that the header names have been changed from "Homepage" to "Website" and "Directions" to "Coding" and more.

Next take a look at the textarea fields that are used to select code. Anything similar here? What about those "select all" buttons?

Quote: Lloyd has also insinuated that I just copied all the scripts without permission. Every single script posted on dhtmlshock has been willingly donated by the author. If you'll notice, there are none there written by George from dynamicdrive (I don't imagine he would contribute his own scripts to a competitor).

Not once did I accuse you of copying the scripts across from Dynamic Drive. I have asked you in my emails if you did and your reply was that you had asked each author. I am not questioning this at all - I believe you.

I have been in contact with Dynamic Drive's authors and they are not happy. Dynamic Drive recently split from the ReallyBig network (which DHTMLSHOCK is now part of) and it is quite obvious that DHTMLSHOCK is a replacement for them.

Quote: Wouldn't you be upset if the same happened to you?

Referring to me posting damaging remarks in a public forum: Yes I would be upset if someone accused me of plagiarism. It is a terrible crime that happens too often on the internet. The evidence is out there. People are free to make up their own minds. You know where I stand on this issue.

I had considered removing all the content that might be construed as similar to any other DHTML site, but after I was done, all I had was a white page.

Similarity in design is not plagiarism, but the inevitable outcome of trial and error, You don't see many oval wheels, do you? And a Honda is similar to a Rolls Royce.

Oh well Lloyd. I'm sorry you feel this way. The owner of ReallyBig.com talked to the owner of DynamicDrive (not the person that you dealt with, John Miller I think), and everything seems to be OK with him.

"I spoke with George of DynamicDrive tonight, and I am confident your "problem" with John Miller will disappear. If it doesn't, please let me know."

My only concern was the fact that you felt you had the right to defame me in public.

I guess I'll let sleeping dogs lie.

Signing off,

Dan.

Lloyd I do see where you are coming from, the content is similar, but it is likely to be as the sites cover the same niche and many people believe to sticking to a style that has proved to be successful (if it ain't broke...).

I will not pass judgement here as I have not really analysed these two sites but I thought I would mention the above.
JP

Hi.. Though the sites may be similar on the concept level as well as some other small details (e.g. the select all buttons, displaying code in textbox, etc.) I could hardly classify that as plagarism- it seems to me that he was just taking some ideas from other sites and putting them to use on his own site. The layouts and colors really aren't that similar, and the "select all" button or displaying code in a text field is hardly an original idea. Plagarism would be blatently copying someone else's work, for example copying the text of a page word for word, or copying someone elses design so that you could really see the similarity at first glance. However, getting ideas from a couple of sites to create your own site is, in my opinion, a fine thing to do.

We must be seeing different things becuase although some of the concepts may be the same, they are hardly taht a like.

Heres a good example. I am building a bodybuilding and fitness site that has a navigation bar of about 5-6 links.

There are Training, Nutrition and diet, Supplements, etc...

Now I'm willing to bet I could find well over a hundred fitness sites with perhaps a simular navigation sytem. What the hell else do I call them ? ? ? If you are on the same subject especially one that is a niche its hard to be tottally unique. Whats wrong with getting some inspiration from other sites ? ?

If I were you I would get a life and concentrate on your own web projects and stop winging and wasting your time worrying about someone elses...

surely a bit harsh mate.
JP

I still can see nowhere that there is plagerism. Sure, sites that have the same topic are bound to be the same content wise. Design here is not a problem, because the sites look nothing alike. I could see if the site looked the same, but this looks nothing like it.

Alright, I take that bit back, just made me a touch mad thats all.

Perhaps a bit harsh, but he seems to be going out of his way to either embarise or make an example out of this guy.

What was the point in making a post like this ??

I can see none, epecially seeing as the sites do not look all that simular...

Lloys is a good guy o I'm sure he had his reasons. I will close this post to avoid any one else getting hurt. Please contact me if you have any probs.
JP

Thanks JP.