My friends and some business owners are hounding me to patent my 'invention' but looking through the patent office website (iponz NZ) it seems more trouble than it's worth (bad pun). So am just curious if anyone ever registered a patent?
I know if I register it in NZ it is only valid in NZ, but to make it world widse I have two options:
* Filing applications with intellectual property offices in overseas countries of interest; or
* Filing an International Application under the Patent Co-Operation Treaty (PCT).
I think the scariest part is the renewal fees (4 times within 20 years) adding up to over 2 grand.
The other option is to register the design of it. Quoted from the site:
"A registered design protects the appearance of a physical object for a period of up to 15 years. You can apply to register your design at the Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand (IPONZ). Protection will only cover the object's shape and/or any decorative ornamentation that appears on it. Design protection does not include the materials from which a product is made, how the object is made, or its purpose."
only costs $112.50 but doesn't cover the actual 'thing'
Anyone able to add some insight?
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Renegade posted this at 11:47—31st March 2006.
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Well, depending on what it is, it may actually be better to get a patent for the "thing" instead of just the design of it.
Is it something which you think may generate a lot of money?
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Busy posted this at 22:38—31st March 2006.
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Without giving it away, the 'thing' could be used worldwide, is a household thing and also commerical, wouldn't be a high priced item, but could be offered as stages or sets selling for umm $20 maybe more. Is very basic really. I just made it to make my life easier and everyone I've mentioned it to have all said along the lines of "wow thats so simple I wonder why it's never been done before" type thing.
I wouldn't mind getting a backer for it, problem is you have to tell x amount of people before you'd find one that would, in the meantime one of the others could go ahead and patent it, would cost me $300 to oppose their patent.
I'm in two minds, one I'd like everyone to know about it and use it, but don't want others to make money off it, two I wouldn't mind making some money off it.
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demonhale posted this at 14:40—1st April 2006.
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talk with a legal person, dont tell him the actual product, find some dummy product or idea, tell him is there anychance he can protect that item from being copied, and if copied you can take legal action, lawyers would do their jobs, you do yours...
Renegade posted this at 21:03—1st April 2006.
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I would suggest getting a worldwide patent if it's going to be that good.
If you don't do it now, some sneaky business minded person will just come along and make millions off your product.
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Busy posted this at 22:41—1st April 2006.
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A legal person is an option but I hate them with passion *money grabbing lieing lowlifes mumble grumble* I know I shouldn't tarnish them all with the same brush but everyone i doubt with in my life has had dollar signs in their eyes and no care in the world.
This goes back 20 years when the lawyer said dont waste your time defending it, you wont win ... So I defended myself and got off it, I couldn't see how I could not as I had proof, physical proof. thats just one case.
It's good but not everyone would use it, some people in the world wear hats, some have facial hair (its not a fashion item or anything related).
It's not something I could market directly as such. It's not a standalone item (although with some work possibly could be) so would be made then distrubuted to the stores that sell the related stuff
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Renegade posted this at 01:19—2nd April 2006.
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Well, your idea actually sounds marketable so I would actually take the risk and go with the worldwide patent.
You don't want to find out that you didn't file the patent because you thought it won't sell and then some business person markets it and makes a killing.
Just about anything will sell these days.
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demonhale posted this at 02:31—2nd April 2006.
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Dont you have some friends in the legal field, just for consultation? If You feel strongly about your "thing", then go and spend that much for a world patent, take it as an investment to your idea, it might pay-off quite well, and lastly... dont forget about us if it does pay off, LOL!
Busy posted this at 10:37—2nd April 2006.
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looking into it more, it seems it's not a quick process, a world wide (not full) patent takes about 31 months and the forms page has 36 forms, all patent related.
No wonder they have patent lawyers.
One interesting thing I did learn is a patent only lasts 20 years, where as a copyright is 50.
Thanks for the insights guys, I'll probably proceed with it and once I get it underway will disclose what it is (don't wait up lol it's not that exciting).
If it pays off I'll buy me some new jeans (re another thread about buying second hand clothes)
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Renegade posted this at 11:44—2nd April 2006.
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Good luck with your patent of the toaster oh... err... um... sorry... your "thing"
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demonhale posted this at 16:23—2nd April 2006.
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Yeah good luck with that, and tell us the whole story, maybe Ill patent my thingamajig...
Busy posted this at 21:11—2nd April 2006.
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It's .......
a belly button warmer
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timjpriebe posted this at 12:54—3rd April 2006.
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That long gestation period is why so many products are made that say "Patent Pending."
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Busy posted this at 22:38—3rd April 2006.
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I'm not even going to look into making it until patent is done, getting it produced will cost a fortune and having someone come in underneath and find a loop hole or something just isn't worth the risk.
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Woodsman posted this at 07:02—4th April 2006.
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Busy,
Here it is in a nut shell. I have a packet some where around the house for an electronic tester I built. There is a form that you can right up your self or have it written. The name of this form has escaped me for the moment but it is worded something like this... Agreement of Confidenuality
I (UNDERSIGNED) On Ths Date 4 April, 2006 Do Promise not to devulge to anybody nor try to sell Patten, Copyright or produce in any form of (Invented Name or Product) belonging to the indvidual (Your Name). I understand (Your Name) is only to show me (Name Of Product) for the purpose of discussion of marketing, patening and or Copyright. I Do understand Under Severe Penalty of law any devulgence by myself or my company Without the written concent of (Your Name)
Signed: Date:
Your Name: Date:
Witness: Date:
And it is better to have at least 2 witnesses...
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PS My little invention is locked away The people I went to were looking for a down payment of $4,000.00 just to start the patent search.... as I said I have it locked away...
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Busy posted this at 10:41—4th April 2006.
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Thanks Woodsman, although I wouldn't trust people enough to keep to it. It's like having a copyright symbol on your webpage, people still steal images, text and stuff from it and most of the time not for profit, just a case of wanting to use it cause it's cool
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teammatt3 posted this at 15:42—17th June 2006.
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I hate to bring up this old thread but have you done anything about it, busy? I'm curious to know how it went or is going.
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Busy posted this at 22:19—17th June 2006.
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Yes and no. Because of the patent cost (full NZ, OZ and Asia and partial world) I'm not going to patent the item as such. What I am currently doing is making a 3D display but will take months (it's like needing to have mould on new tiles ...). I have one working now but is not possible to record it's data, so need to make a purpose built thing. I plan on getting the photos and data sheets dated by a JP (justice of the peace - person able to sign legal docs etc) as proof, then approach the companies related to this thing in hope of selling the usage rights to it, on condition they pay for the patent. It's a bit risky as they could redesign it and patent their own but with my proof of invention if you will would have good grounds to stop them and if they did go ahead and make one and I found a company who agreed I would charge the first company useage rights (which would be more than the item itself).
The worst parts are the thing only has to be changed 10% to be classed as an orginal idea, but luckily this is a smallish thing and can't be changed much
foottuns, thanks but as different countries have different rules/laws and google is US based it would be harder to control it. Also note on my reply to teammatt3 US and UK aren't on the list of full patents, mainly because these countries are bigger importers than producers.
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foottuns posted this at 21:49—17th June 2006.
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why dont you try to register with godaddy. they have a service regarding with this. try godaddy.com
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foottuns posted this at 22:42—17th June 2006.
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oh i c now. i try it to help you out. i know that godaddy has this service.
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Busy posted this at 11:06—18th June 2006.
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and I appreciate your input, is all new to me, am learning as I go
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