Really? I've only seen it go a bit over 500MB. I've had it over a GB with previous versions (2.x I think), but now, they have that memory consumption problem fixed.
Really? I've only seen it go a bit over 500MB. I've had it over a GB with previous versions (2.x I think), but now, they have that memory consumption problem fixed. ;)
Nah. 6 gigs not, but 1 gig is common for it both on my notebook and the PC.
What Ram is it? $24 seems so cheap for 4 gigs, wish i could get a deal like that.
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 06:52 — 13th December 2008.
I noticed the largest jump in memory consumption when I went from a 32-bit system to 64-bit. I also have Firefox open with hundreds of tabs being opened and closed throughout the day, and 4 dual-display workspaces full of other windows. My computer was actually using a swap partition after a day or two of being powered up with 2GB of RAM.
In reality, I probably won't need this much, I only really wanted to go to 4GB, but Tiger Direct was running a sale - 4GB for $24 after rebate. I couldn't pass it up.
I noticed the largest jump in memory consumption when I went from a 32-bit system to 64-bit.
Virtual allocation or resident memory consumption? How much of it is shared? It's not unusual for modern applications to ask for a large section of available address space, but only use a small part of it.
Virtual allocation or resident memory consumption?
I'm not sure what my system monitor is showing, but I would assume resident memory consumption, because it doesn't include shared memory, buffers, or cached. If shared memory is only with the video, I don't have any because I have a 512MB card.
Isn't it true that applications that define Integers w/o specifying 32-bit double in size on 64-bit systems?
I'm not sure what my system monitor is showing, but I would assume resident memory consumption, because it doesn't include shared memory, buffers, or cached. If shared memory is only with the video, I don't have any because I have a 512MB card.
Shared memory in this case is physical memory claimed by a process that doesn't (solely) use it, and that the OS ‘borrows’ for other processes. It could include dynamic libraries, for example.
Virtual memory that swaps out to disk blurs the lines too, since a process could, for instance, use low resident space, high swap space, allocating a large chunk of virtual address space – does that count as space-efficient?
Figuring out just how much memory a process is using is tricky for these reasons. It's probably not a reliable yardstick of ‘performance’ on its own.
pr0gr4mm3r wrote:
Isn't it true that applications that define Integers w/o specifying 32-bit double in size on 64-bit systems?
That's somewhat true, as I understand it. Integers might still be 32-bit wide, where longs are 64-bit wide. (Or, indeed, integers could be 64-bit wide, depending on the platform.) Other units get bigger too, such as pointers. Applications can double in size, but it could be less, depending on code and platform.
That's very interesting, sounds like a complicated process.
I only judge the performance in the sense that I don't want my swap being used at all. I still have IDE hard drives, and my system grinds to a halt when it starts to swap out memory. SATA drives are the next planned upgrade.
I booted into Vista for the first time in months to see what the memory upgrade does to my "Vista Experience Score", and it stayed at the 5.9 it gave me for 2GB .
I looked into adding RAM, but I believe the specs say 2GB is the limit - can I up it?
Depends on what memory modules you have in there right now. It also depends on what OS you are running. All 32-bit operating systems can't support more than 4GB of memory. If you are running a 64-bit operating system, your memory limit is going to be determined by the motherboard.
Your manual to upgrade your memory is here, and you can find more information on how much you can upgrade here.
Yup, sounds like you're maxed out. 2GB should be plenty for a laptop anyway, unless you have several virtual workspaces or do video editing or something.
When I processed the "Faith and Hope" video slideshow, it took almost 10 minutes to save a 2:40 wmv video with a lot of transitions using Windows Moviemaker.
I generally need to reboot Vista once a day, but that is not necessarily a RAM issue - I think it's a thread-management problem.
I am planning to get a desktop in the next couple of months, since I have a PC laptop, I am thinking of getting a Mac desktop.
If it will be your first mac and you're not sure if you'll like it I suggest getting a used one first and if you like it you can upgrade to a new one and sell the old (and get almost as much as you paid).
As for the desktops I would suggest an imac unless you have extra monitors and you will do a lot of video editing than go for a mac pro or a powermac.
I have a powerbook g4 and it serves me well enough for school and work. (you can install a php5-apache2-mysql5 web server using macports)
However if you go for a g3-stay away(getting outdated), go for a g4, g5, or intel and get at least 1.25 ghz.
Those are my recommendations.
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decibel.places posted this at 23:44 — 15th December 2008.
I haven't rendered a movie in a while since my storm chasing last spring. The only rendering program that maxed out my 2GB was Blender. As long as your computer doesn't tap into your page file during rendering, adding any more RAM won't do anything speed-wise.
I've never used a Mac before, so I wouldn't have much advice on that one. What I can recommend though is know why you are going to need it before spending money on one. (what extra features/functionality can a Mac provide?) I run Ubuntu, and my desktop can do things a Windows computer cannot. As a web developer, I often need to access remote directories. Windows programs only provide file transfer programs. I can mount any web host account with SSH access into my file system using sshfs, and it is so seamless, my programs don't know the difference between my local filesystem, and remote mounts, which makes editing PHP files, images, etc live on the server a piece of cake. I haven't found any Windows program to replicate that.
Unless you specifically need a mac, don't get one.
(*waits for loyal mac users to jump on my head*)
I'm not cribbing them, but last time I looked, they are slightly dearer for a similar spec. And even with similiar spec, a Vista run machine is likely slighter better/faster than the os x.
Pros and cons for both.
Macs are a bit more secure in terms of virus and spy/malware. PC's (with Vista) have a larger range of software available, although that issue with macs is becoming much better these days.
Easier/cheaper to upgrade and with newer/better hardware.
I would say both have equal amounts of usability issues and annoyances from general usage.
If nothing else, there is a lot more support for Vista and Vista based software. I know mac users will disagree, and I'm not saying there is no support for them, but there is a lot less.
A PC (with Vista) is better for all round general use in my opinion.
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decibel.places posted this at 19:08 — 14th December 2008.
Thanks for the input, which confirms my own observations
My laptop has Vista Home Premium and Ubuntu - dual boot.
I have used Macs from time to time (in the mid 90s I supervised the computer room at Kinkos with several Macs on the network - they were setting up some kind of printserver on and off the network, and the Macs kept getting false aliases to printers on the network on their desktops - the PCs just followed where the network took them)
My mom has a Powerbook laptop, and I have done some work on it troubleshooting her AirPort wifi (I had to enable a setting just for my PC - or any other computer - to see the network. I suppose you could argue that is more secure - or annoying). That was in her summer house, actually now she has it configured as an unsecured network - so much for Mac security.
Despite what Mac afficionados say, I find the interface and admin to be really counter-intuitive, maybe just because I am used to PC.
I read about apps on PCWorld to add Mac features like a "ribbon" dock to PC - and I think "Why?" (I guess to make Mac users feel more comfortable).
One thing, a Mac boots a LOT faster than a PC with Vista (yes, I have trimmed all my startup programs and disabled lots of Windows apps I don't use). One thing I discovered, the "snipping tool" shich I use all the time for quickie screen caps is part of the Tablet PC app, which I do not otherwise use.
Mostly, I want a Mac for compatibility testing web sites, I don't like relying on browsershots. I remember a few years back that Macs render forms quite differently. Now that they released Safari for Windows (with the same rendering peculiarities) there is a bit less incentive.
I guess when I get closer, I will open a thread for this (should be fun) I know I have wandered somewhat off topic > off topic
One thing, a Mac boots a LOT faster than a PC with Vista
Yeah, but who cares unless you are rebooting every five mnutes, and if you are, you have bigger issues than the OS boot time.
Besides, that's like saying it's quicker to get into a rusty old 1990 Ford Escort than it is a Ferrari 430 .... hmm, I'll get back to you when I see a disadvantage to that one!
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decibel.places posted this at 00:07 — 15th December 2008.
Wicked! Thats a lot of RAM? What will you use it for? Hmmmm.. If I had that much I'd play 10 instances of WOW with ten characters under my command. ROFLOL!
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methode posted this at 20:12 — 12th December 2008.
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My firefox would fill it in less than 5 minutes
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 22:52 — 12th December 2008.
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Really? I've only seen it go a bit over 500MB. I've had it over a GB with previous versions (2.x I think), but now, they have that memory consumption problem fixed.
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methode posted this at 06:28 — 13th December 2008.
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Really? I've only seen it go a bit over 500MB. I've had it over a GB with previous versions (2.x I think), but now, they have that memory consumption problem fixed. ;)
Nah. 6 gigs not, but 1 gig is common for it both on my notebook and the PC.
What Ram is it? $24 seems so cheap for 4 gigs, wish i could get a deal like that.
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 06:52 — 13th December 2008.
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Here is the RAM I got. I think the rebate is good for another couple days.
teammatt3 posted this at 05:12 — 13th December 2008.
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When I upgraded from 1 gig to 2, I didn't really notice a difference (even with dual channels). Have you noticed much?
2 gigs ought to be enough for anybody
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pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 06:03 — 13th December 2008.
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I noticed the largest jump in memory consumption when I went from a 32-bit system to 64-bit. I also have Firefox open with hundreds of tabs being opened and closed throughout the day, and 4 dual-display workspaces full of other windows. My computer was actually using a swap partition after a day or two of being powered up with 2GB of RAM.
In reality, I probably won't need this much, I only really wanted to go to 4GB, but Tiger Direct was running a sale - 4GB for $24 after rebate. I couldn't pass it up.
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Abhishek Reddy posted this at 11:29 — 13th December 2008.
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Virtual allocation or resident memory consumption? How much of it is shared? It's not unusual for modern applications to ask for a large section of available address space, but only use a small part of it.
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pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 15:53 — 13th December 2008.
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I'm not sure what my system monitor is showing, but I would assume resident memory consumption, because it doesn't include shared memory, buffers, or cached. If shared memory is only with the video, I don't have any because I have a 512MB card.
Isn't it true that applications that define Integers w/o specifying 32-bit double in size on 64-bit systems?
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Abhishek Reddy posted this at 17:24 — 13th December 2008.
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Shared memory in this case is physical memory claimed by a process that doesn't (solely) use it, and that the OS ‘borrows’ for other processes. It could include dynamic libraries, for example.
Virtual memory that swaps out to disk blurs the lines too, since a process could, for instance, use low resident space, high swap space, allocating a large chunk of virtual address space – does that count as space-efficient?
Figuring out just how much memory a process is using is tricky for these reasons. It's probably not a reliable yardstick of ‘performance’ on its own.
That's somewhat true, as I understand it. Integers might still be 32-bit wide, where longs are 64-bit wide. (Or, indeed, integers could be 64-bit wide, depending on the platform.) Other units get bigger too, such as pointers. Applications can double in size, but it could be less, depending on code and platform.
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pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 18:29 — 13th December 2008.
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That's very interesting, sounds like a complicated process.
I only judge the performance in the sense that I don't want my swap being used at all. I still have IDE hard drives, and my system grinds to a halt when it starts to swap out memory. SATA drives are the next planned upgrade.
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decibel.places posted this at 16:00 — 13th December 2008.
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I have a HP Pavilion dv9000 laptop with 2GB RAM
I looked into adding RAM, but I believe the specs say 2GB is the limit - can I up it?
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/29887/review/pavilion_dv9000t.html
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 16:40 — 13th December 2008.
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I booted into Vista for the first time in months to see what the memory upgrade does to my "Vista Experience Score", and it stayed at the 5.9 it gave me for 2GB
.
Depends on what memory modules you have in there right now. It also depends on what OS you are running. All 32-bit operating systems can't support more than 4GB of memory. If you are running a 64-bit operating system, your memory limit is going to be determined by the motherboard.
Your manual to upgrade your memory is here, and you can find more information on how much you can upgrade here.
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decibel.places posted this at 17:19 — 13th December 2008.
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Actually, it's a HP Pavilion dv9417cl
The specs say:
Memory 2048 MB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Memory Max Max supported 2048 MB
So if I have 2GB, I am at the max, right?
It's mostly ok, I always have many windows open, I have FileANT which says I am at 69% Memory usage right now, about average...
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 18:30 — 13th December 2008.
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Yup, sounds like you're maxed out. 2GB should be plenty for a laptop anyway, unless you have several virtual workspaces or do video editing or something.
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decibel.places posted this at 15:42 — 14th December 2008.
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2GB is adequate most of the time.
When I processed the "Faith and Hope" video slideshow, it took almost 10 minutes to save a 2:40 wmv video with a lot of transitions using Windows Moviemaker.
I generally need to reboot Vista once a day, but that is not necessarily a RAM issue - I think it's a thread-management problem.
I am planning to get a desktop in the next couple of months, since I have a PC laptop, I am thinking of getting a Mac desktop.
Any suggestions/recommendations?
cmoyer posted this at 23:24 — 15th December 2008.
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If it will be your first mac and you're not sure if you'll like it I suggest getting a used one first and if you like it you can upgrade to a new one and sell the old (and get almost as much as you paid).
As for the desktops I would suggest an imac unless you have extra monitors and you will do a lot of video editing than go for a mac pro or a powermac.
I have a powerbook g4 and it serves me well enough for school and work. (you can install a php5-apache2-mysql5 web server using macports)
However if you go for a g3-stay away(getting outdated), go for a g4, g5, or intel and get at least 1.25 ghz.
Those are my recommendations.
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decibel.places posted this at 23:44 — 15th December 2008.
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thanks C.
will repost in a month or so when I am getting ready for purchase -
sorry I hijacked this thread!
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 00:10 — 16th December 2008.
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It really didn't have a point to begin with.
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I haven't rendered a movie in a while since my storm chasing last spring. The only rendering program that maxed out my 2GB was Blender. As long as your computer doesn't tap into your page file during rendering, adding any more RAM won't do anything speed-wise.
I've never used a Mac before, so I wouldn't have much advice on that one. What I can recommend though is know why you are going to need it before spending money on one. (what extra features/functionality can a Mac provide?) I run Ubuntu, and my desktop can do things a Windows computer cannot. As a web developer, I often need to access remote directories. Windows programs only provide file transfer programs. I can mount any web host account with SSH access into my file system using sshfs, and it is so seamless, my programs don't know the difference between my local filesystem, and remote mounts, which makes editing PHP files, images, etc live on the server a piece of cake. I haven't found any Windows program to replicate that.
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teammatt3 posted this at 23:57 — 16th December 2008.
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I do it through tunneling samba over SSH. Works great for me.
pr0gr4mm3r posted this at 01:12 — 17th December 2008.
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Looks like it could work, but I don't have Samba on my servers or any others that I do work on.
greg posted this at 17:54 — 14th December 2008.
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Unless you specifically need a mac, don't get one.
(*waits for loyal mac users to jump on my head*)
I'm not cribbing them, but last time I looked, they are slightly dearer for a similar spec. And even with similiar spec, a Vista run machine is likely slighter better/faster than the os x.
Pros and cons for both.
Macs are a bit more secure in terms of virus and spy/malware.
PC's (with Vista) have a larger range of software available, although that issue with macs is becoming much better these days.
Easier/cheaper to upgrade and with newer/better hardware.
I would say both have equal amounts of usability issues and annoyances from general usage.
If nothing else, there is a lot more support for Vista and Vista based software. I know mac users will disagree, and I'm not saying there is no support for them, but there is a lot less.
A PC (with Vista) is better for all round general use in my opinion.
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decibel.places posted this at 19:08 — 14th December 2008.
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Thanks for the input, which confirms my own observations
My laptop has Vista Home Premium and Ubuntu - dual boot.
I have used Macs from time to time (in the mid 90s I supervised the computer room at Kinkos with several Macs on the network - they were setting up some kind of printserver on and off the network, and the Macs kept getting false aliases to printers on the network on their desktops - the PCs just followed where the network took them)
My mom has a Powerbook laptop, and I have done some work on it troubleshooting her AirPort wifi (I had to enable a setting just for my PC - or any other computer - to see the network. I suppose you could argue that is more secure - or annoying). That was in her summer house, actually now she has it configured as an unsecured network - so much for Mac security.
Despite what Mac afficionados say, I find the interface and admin to be really counter-intuitive, maybe just because I am used to PC.
I read about apps on PCWorld to add Mac features like a "ribbon" dock to PC - and I think "Why?" (I guess to make Mac users feel more comfortable).
One thing, a Mac boots a LOT faster than a PC with Vista (yes, I have trimmed all my startup programs and disabled lots of Windows apps I don't use). One thing I discovered, the "snipping tool" shich I use all the time for quickie screen caps is part of the Tablet PC app, which I do not otherwise use.
Mostly, I want a Mac for compatibility testing web sites, I don't like relying on browsershots. I remember a few years back that Macs render forms quite differently. Now that they released Safari for Windows (with the same rendering peculiarities) there is a bit less incentive.
I guess when I get closer, I will open a thread for this (should be fun) I know I have wandered somewhat off topic > off topic
greg posted this at 19:39 — 14th December 2008.
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Yeah, but who cares unless you are rebooting every five mnutes, and if you are, you have bigger issues than the OS boot time.
Besides, that's like saying it's quicker to get into a rusty old 1990 Ford Escort than it is a Ferrari 430 .... hmm, I'll get back to you when I see a disadvantage to that one!
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decibel.places posted this at 00:07 — 15th December 2008.
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Wow - is this a PC-centric design community? What a niche!
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Wicked! Thats a lot of RAM? What will you use it for? Hmmmm.. If I had that much I'd play 10 instances of WOW with ten characters under my command. ROFLOL!
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